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To: valkyrieanne

"What's the bit about "society?"

I don't get this either. It would seem that by being in a society the dumb ones would be able to survive because of the kindness of their relatives and neighbors. Out in the jungle/savannah whatever by yourself - if your're dumb you die.

Kind of like today (the dumb ones surviving anyway).


249 posted on 12/29/2004 2:11:21 PM PST by geopyg
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To: geopyg

Although in a society, all members might be more able to survive and therefore ability to reproduce more. Although I imagine prehistoric rabbitsalso had population explosions at times - but did that make them any smarter?


250 posted on 12/29/2004 2:13:47 PM PST by geopyg
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To: geopyg
I don't get this either. It would seem that by being in a society the dumb ones would be able to survive because of the kindness of their relatives and neighbors. Out in the jungle/savannah whatever by yourself - if your're dumb you die.

I think (personally, based on my own anthropology reading) that it was the *kind* of society which formed that made the difference. In chimp and gorilla groups, there's no nuclear family. Males may "own" a group but there's no real individual loyalty to one female & her offspring.

At some point proto-hominids transitioned to people (probably 150,000 or so years ago.) It may have been something so simple as pair-bonding between male and female, with the male being *responsible* for the female and her offspring.

One thing you can say for sure about *modern* primitive hunters is that the men don't hunt in a "vacuum." Even though the women don't hunt, they have huge jobs to fulfill - like taking care of the camps, processing the kill, preserving the meat, doing all the sewing and preparing of hides, as well as a good portion of the artwork (decorating hides.) So development of the brain occurred in *both* sexes, without the gross sexual differences in size and behavior seen in the great apes.

This situation is optimal for language development. Males "needed" language to work cooperatively with other men; to persuade a woman to set up a partnership (marriage) with him. Females "needed" language to pass their arts on to other females; to bond with their mates and probably most important - as a means of better raising infants. At some point the survival value of being *talked to* and *communicated with* as an infant had to be phenomenal.

274 posted on 12/29/2004 3:44:30 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: geopyg

surviving??

Hell... They are THRIVING!!


(And we are subsidizing them to create more!!!)

323 posted on 12/30/2004 5:15:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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