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To: Darkwolf377
Jefferson calls himself a Christian and proclaims himself to be a disciple of Jesus Christ. Who are you to call him a liar? He does not believe that everything in the Bible is the truth, but much is corrupted by human authors. Many Christians belive the same.

Did Jefferson call Christ a liar? Or mistaken? Does Jefferson ever say Christ spoke false words?

Jefferson believes in the teachings of Christ, and is a Christian, a follower of Christ.

As a Protestant neither you nor anybody else has the authority to qualify somebody elses faith in Jesus Christ.

Jefferson does not believe the Bible is 100% divine. He believes it is full of interpretation and errors by men who wrote it. He does not believe in divine revelations to other men, but that does not disqualify him as a Christian in general, it may only disqualify him from particular sects.

So what? A large percentage of Christians believe the same. That makes Jefferson a Protestant.

Not all Christians accept Christ as their "personal Lord and Saviour". (though he calls Jesus "Our Lord" in the following prayer). The Catholics do not.

That Jefferson would teach Jesus Christ to the Indians and promote that the entire world should follow Christs teachings also makes him an evangelical.

Jefferson clearly believed in a God that does play a role in everyday lives and does provide for a "system of rewards and punishments" and does provide for an afterlife.

Those notions seem to disqualify Jefferson as a deist. Deists believe God does not interfere in everyday lives of men.

Jefferson makes appeals to God often. He believes in demons as well. That may also disqualify him as a deist wh do not believe in demons or malignant spirits.

Jefferson mostly defines himself as a "rational Christian", not a deist. He is skeptical of any words written by man, save those of Christ whose words he seeks to corroborate through the "4 evangelicals".

"I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Dæmonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did. The being described in his 5. points is not the God whom you and I acknolege and adore, the Creator and benevolent governor of the world; but a dæmon of malignant spirit." -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823; Lester J. Cappon, ed., The Adams-Jefferson Letters: The Complete Correspondence, Chapel Hill and London: University of North Carolina Press, 1987, pp. 591-594.
"Almighty God, who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners.

Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues.

Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those to whom in Thy Name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy Law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth.

In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen."
-- Thomas Jefferson, March 4, 1805 A National prayer for Peace
Sources: 1) Richardson, A compilation of Messages and Papers of the Presidents 1789-1897, 10 vols, Vol 1 p. 379. 2) Eidsmoe, Christianity and the Constitution - The Faith of the Founding Fathers p. 243


51 posted on 12/29/2004 10:27:30 PM PST by Mark Felton (We are free because we are Christian. There is no other reason.)
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To: Mark Felton

I never called him a liar. Your bizarre need to twist people's meanings so you can pick a fight is annoying, and there's no use arguing with such a meathead.


52 posted on 12/29/2004 10:31:24 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: Mark Felton
"neither you nor anybody else has the authority to qualify somebody elses faith in Jesus Christ. "

And yet you have done just that with Jefferson's words. LOL!

Do as you say, not as you do.

53 posted on 12/29/2004 10:32:36 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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