Posted on 12/21/2004 7:59:02 PM PST by postitnews.com
HARRISBURG, PA-The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania, Americans United for Separation of Church and State and attorneys with Pepper Hamilton LLP filed a federal lawsuit today on behalf of 11 parents who say that presenting "intelligent design" in public school science classrooms violates their religious liberty by promoting particular religious beliefs to their children under the guise of science education.
"Teaching students about religion's role in world history and culture is proper, but disguising a particular religious belief as science is not," said ACLU of Pennsylvania Legal Director Witold Walczak. "Intelligent design is a Trojan Horse for bringing religious creationism back into public school science classes."
The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United Executive Director, added, "Public schools are not Sunday schools, and we must resist any efforts to make them so. There is an evolving attack under way on sound science...Read More
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Thank you kindly, sir.
And what does "crevo" mean??? Please pardon my ignorance. :)
Not quite ONLY faith, in evolution's case.
Hit that link and scroll down to the "List 'o Links" section. Read some of it before you post this much-debunked nonsense again.
You want to see odd? I'll show you odd!
http://members.surfeu.fi/kklaine/primebear.html
My gosh, I've been in a thread on FR for two days with some of these people arguing exactly that. I think they are trolls that have gotten in somehow. Would not surprise me if they were involved in this case.
None of what you wrote in this post has any relation to the TOE, which I'm sure will surprise you no end.
"Well, let's start at Observation - and we have seen what evolve into what?"
http://www.geocities.com/evolvedthinking/mutations.htm
Enjoy. Oh, and please note the low intellectual quality of the public schools involved.
Yeesh.
Hmmm... Look these over. They may help with your misconceptions:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/
http://www.talkorigins.org/
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/NumRel/GenRelativity.html
You want to see odd? I'll show you odd!
Oddly fascinating, and a lot odder than counting sheep.
You are most welcome. :-)
And what does "crevo" mean??? Please pardon my ignorance.
Creation vs Evolution.
Good grief! Where or how (NO DON"T TELL ME!!!) did you find that. LOL
Faith 1.Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust. Oh, I think that I'm on safe ground saying that it has to be accepted on faith. Nothing has ever been observed to evolve, there has been no scientific experiments done that ever showed evolution could have happened. No experiments that showed a repeatable nature and so on - the scientific method has failed here. And so, since there is no 'logical proof or material evidence', I'd say that it is certainly faith based. If not, what else is it?
Well, if I'm proven wrong and the Freeper evolutionists dislike the public schools as much as I do, I'll admit I was wrong on that point. I hope I am wrong because I can't see much hope for conservatism in the public schools.
It would theoretically bring the evolution debate to a halt as a political issue to disestablish the public schools. How would evolutionists react...even ostensibly conservative ones...if they lost their monopoly over a large segment of the child population?
It's interesting that you accept that Christian homeschooled kids would likely best public school kids in many areas, but exclude science. I really don't think that's anything to worry about. I don't think ID or even outright creationism would stifle the ability of kids to understand the scientific method or anything of the kind. I think some evolution proponents are a lot like the blue state liberals. They're convinced of their own brilliance and they're more than happy to vouch for each other's intelligence as compared to the "rubes" who don't accept their theory.
I know that you're an intelligent fellow, as are most of those on your side. I just wish some on your side could accept that there are folks out there...quite intelligent ones...who don't buy the theory of evolution.
If skepticicism is necessary for future scientific inquiry and advancement, are you skeptical about the theory of evolution? It is, as you say, necessary.
"That is a falsehood."
Well I have all the scientific literature on my side, please cite your sources... "Scientists I know" is a little too suspect.
And I QUOTE from the National Academy of Sciences publication on view of Science adn Creationism:
"Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science."
Besides this, do a quick search on the big peer reviewed journals for biology, Nature and Science should do nicely. Count how many hits you get for evolution, abotu 2000... Count how many are disputing evolution... 0. Now do a search for articles supporting ID... NONE, ZERO.
As I said before, let us hear your sources now...
"but with hard core math."
What is the math behind evolution (specifically single-cells->people evolution, not just variation within a species). Creation deals with a recorded history, and a set of fossil evidence. Evolutionary theory discards all documentary evidence a priori, as well as all non-uniformitarian and non-gradualistic theories a priori. That doesn't mean they are false, or even that they aren't supported by lots of evidence.
When looking at _history_, you have a lot of different barriers and possibilities than when looking at _operational science_. To relate the two as synonymous is quite silly.
Heaven forbid theology be mentioned in a course in natural theology (also sometimes called "science").
"However, as a parent myself of a child who will be starting school in a few years, I would respectfully ask that you leave his religious instruction to ME, and not the government"
Then you should not let them attend public schools, or your child will be instructed in the religion of secular humanism. I don't see how this myth that religion and philosophy can be divorced from other parts of thinking arose, but it's quite incorrect.
"but with hard core math."
I wasn't talking about the math of evolution, although there have been some links posted on this page that you might want to peruse.
I was talking about the math involved with making the bomb.
You might want to keep your citations straight.
Yes. However, the evidence still supports it as the best model we have for the diversity of life here on Earth.
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