Posted on 12/21/2004 7:59:02 PM PST by postitnews.com
HARRISBURG, PA-The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania, Americans United for Separation of Church and State and attorneys with Pepper Hamilton LLP filed a federal lawsuit today on behalf of 11 parents who say that presenting "intelligent design" in public school science classrooms violates their religious liberty by promoting particular religious beliefs to their children under the guise of science education.
"Teaching students about religion's role in world history and culture is proper, but disguising a particular religious belief as science is not," said ACLU of Pennsylvania Legal Director Witold Walczak. "Intelligent design is a Trojan Horse for bringing religious creationism back into public school science classes."
The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United Executive Director, added, "Public schools are not Sunday schools, and we must resist any efforts to make them so. There is an evolving attack under way on sound science...Read More
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I'm out too, for the night. Let anyone make of it what they will.
Wel, that is one of the popular explainations of modern sceptics. But the truth is that man is aware of himself and therefore is aware that the universe exists. With that knowledge he naturally has always questioned his exstence. To question is part of the scientfic process. To limit ones undertanding of the universe to what can be seen or "proven" is to unnecessarily limit man's intellect. What you say might be believable if the Jews had not preserved their faith in the face of the tolerantRoman Empire which wanted all religions to be equal, and thus unimportant and if Jesus had not walked the earth and died after having been predicted 500 years before. His resurection is not a theory, or even a invention. People don't get eaten by lions over a period of 300 years for an invention.
"Keep borin' in, man! That strawman can't last more than three or four more rounds. Watch out for his right hand!"
The best you can do is falsely label something a "strawman." I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm starting to get the impression you don't either.
I'll tell you one thing that I am learning from this entire experience here. I am a very successful aerospace research engineer, and I'm thank the Lord with all my heart that I am not a biologist. The apparent lack of mathematical and philosophical reasoning ability among people in that field would drive me to drink myself to death. You can have it.
It's late and I'm doing this from memory. I'll have to go to my favorite book, Theology and Sanity, for some better illustrations tomorrow. Or maybe not at all. Does it matter to you?
I am confused. I didn't think the Jews believed Jesus to be the Son of God.
"And you've been given an explanation as to why, exactly, that is an unreasonable request, yet you ignore that explanation and don't even try to rebut it."
Sir, I don't normally brag about my intelligence, but I feel the need to do so here out of sheer self defense. I scored in the top 1% of the math section of the Graduate Records Exam. That's the standard test that engineering graduates take to get into graduate school. And I can assure you that this forum is dominated by evolutionists who couldn't think their way of a wet paper bag. You are the prime example. You wouldn't know a rebuttal if it bit you on the ass.
So what? I mean how does the lack of knowledge, by default, support your position.
Prior to the Apollo missions, no one could give the exact mineral composition of the moon. Does that make it made of green cheese?
One thing I can assure you of: mutations are observed all the time, both in humans and in laboratory animals. Most are not lethal. What is it you expect a harmful gene to do?
Did you "learn yourself via the internet"? I think not. Then why do you "learn yourself via the internet" about creationism and evolution on the creationists' web-sites?
Get real.
Whats it to you how he learns? Are you the jackbooted technocop?
Nothing I have discussed here requires memory, documentation or appeal to authority.
I have simply stated that it make no sense to start with the premis that it is impossible for something to come from nothing, then claim a special exemption for God. Either something can come from nothing, or the whole question is an artifact of the imprecision of language. In either case the cquestion cannot be resolved by mere humans.
I just find it interesting that people who go to college to learn science will then later get their science from creationist hawkers on the web ...
You keep bragging about your test scores as if they were unusual, or even high, in the present company.
Nice rebuttal. He admits that he's not qualified, I point it out, you say "get real". I guess that you've thorougly destroyed the theory of evolution, proven Biblical creationism and demonstrated without doubt that there is a conspiracy amongst biologists to destroy the moral fabric of society all at once with just those two words.
The Laws of Conservation state that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, eg: something can not come from nothing.
Thats science.
And yet according to BB cosmology those laws and numerous others werre violated in the at t=0.
Go figure.
Interesting. Interesting in that Catholics accept the possibility of science and evolution.
You're fond of calling people "liars". So here's what we're gonna do. Unless you can back up any of the fantasies in your post with posts written by me, henceforth I will refer to you as the Lying Dimensio.
'But similar ideas came as early as 1983 from eminent British physicist Sir Fred Hoyle, who was not conventionally religious.
Hoyle wrote that a blindfolded person working the Rubik's Cube puzzle at one move per second would need 1,350 billion years to align the 54 squares. He calculated similar odds that even one protein formed on Earth through blind chance.
Since that's hundreds of times the age of the planet, he said, the odds against this happening with all the proteins in nature are "almost unimaginably vast." '
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