I suppose. All experiments are proofs of human design too.
But you originally claimed no ape ever picked up a brush and drew a dog. Move the bar much?
Koko, Michael, and their artwork.
Posted on 12/21/2004 7:59:02 PM PST by postitnews.com
HARRISBURG, PA-The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania, Americans United for Separation of Church and State and attorneys with Pepper Hamilton LLP filed a federal lawsuit today on behalf of 11 parents who say that presenting "intelligent design" in public school science classrooms violates their religious liberty by promoting particular religious beliefs to their children under the guise of science education.
"Teaching students about religion's role in world history and culture is proper, but disguising a particular religious belief as science is not," said ACLU of Pennsylvania Legal Director Witold Walczak. "Intelligent design is a Trojan Horse for bringing religious creationism back into public school science classes."
The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United Executive Director, added, "Public schools are not Sunday schools, and we must resist any efforts to make them so. There is an evolving attack under way on sound science...Read More
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Here's an example of what I'm saying: When a man comes to a bridge and he does not understand why it is there, that is not a good reason to tear it down. If you can understand the reason behind it's being there then you might have an argument against it.
Likewise I would not like to tear down evolution, eventhough I don't like it or believe it. And you should not try to tear down ID without attempting to understand it. Today the playing field is not level and it needs to be leveled.
You know, of course, that the debate isn't on Free republic. The debate in in science: in the thousands of juried publications, among the tens of thousands of researchers who study the minutia every day, and of course, in the millions of pages of already published material. Your side isn't even in the debate in any real sense, because creationists and ID proponents do no original research and publish little except critical reviews. At best they require a few hours of someone's time to rebut. But they inspire no new lies of research -- for the simple reason that everything that might support ID is already being investigated in the mainstream.
I am not saying something is illogical because I don't understand it. I am saying that self-contradictory statements are illogical.
I suppose. All experiments are proofs of human design too.
But you originally claimed no ape ever picked up a brush and drew a dog. Move the bar much?
Koko, Michael, and their artwork.
If what you say is true then scientists have abandoned true scientific practice and are engaging in metaphysics.
Where do you creationists come up with such stories. Certainly not from scientists.
Can you name anything in science that is fully understood and not part of a theory?
RussP wrote:
If 1,000 harmful mutations occur for every beneficial one, then how can natural selection select the beneficial one without getting many more of the bad ones along with it?
PatrickHenry replied:
It's blindingly simple. If the individual survives and breeds, it's been "selected."
RussP replies:
And which mutations have been selected? The one good one along with 1000 bad ones? How does that produce a net gain in fitness to survive?
I comprehend you. You are saying that God was invented to explain the unexplainable.
Well, I guess you would have trouble accepting two contradictory statements such as: man is both flesh and spirit. That would seem illogical to you? Hence your logic has it's limitations. In order to understand God you must be prepared to accept two apparently contradictory truths at full value. Without that ability you can only face the delema of the author of Man and Superman. For it is reason by itself that drives men mad, not imagination.
This is imposed from where? Your reading of Spetner?
Keep borin' in, man! That strawman can't last more than three or four more rounds. Watch out for his right hand!
Where did the dog get the paintbrush? Did he make it? Honestly, what we are looking for is an animal that would do this without the help of humans.
Gone for the evening. Carry on as best you can ... considering what you're up against.
is not contradictory. It is neither impossible nor rare for intities to have multiple attributes. I suppose there are people who believe that physical and spriritual are mutually exclusive, but I am not one of those people.
"You know, of course, that the debate isn't on Free republic. The debate in in science: in the thousands of juried publications, among the tens of thousands of researchers who study the minutia every day, and of course, in the millions of pages of already published material."
Yet nobody can give me even a ballpark figure for the ratio of harmful to beneficial mutations for any species at any time under any circumstances. Amazing isn't the word for it.
The ape painted the dog and not vice versa. I'm not claiming the ape is a full citizen.
I am claiming that you exaggerate differences in kind at the expense of differences in degree.
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