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If you've accepted Jesus Christ as savior, you are a saint. This is not the purview of anyone on this earth, least of all the Church of the Inquisition and the Crusades. The Catholic Church is in error up to the rafters, (celibate priests, penance vs repentance, etc.), but this issue burns me up most of all.
15 posted on 12/20/2004 6:52:05 PM PST by Malcolm (there is no substitute for good manners)
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To: Malcolm
Declaring that someone is in heaven (part of what canonization means in the Catholic church) doesn't mean that others are not in heaven. Canonization and sainthood are different.

There are saints known only to God.
19 posted on 12/20/2004 6:56:40 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Malcolm
This is not the purview of anyone on this earth, least of all the Church of the Inquisition and the Crusades.

Oh, God forbid us from defending Europe from the Muslims and freeing the Holy Land! If you can think of a war where atrocities didn't occur, I have a certain bridge in New York to sell you.

31 posted on 12/20/2004 8:31:22 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Malcolm
If you've accepted Jesus Christ as savior, you are a saint.

No intent at offense, but that rather sounds like the sin of presumption.

35 posted on 12/20/2004 8:48:23 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: Malcolm
If you've accepted Jesus Christ as savior, you are a saint. This is not the purview of anyone on this earth, least of all the Church of the Inquisition and the Crusades. The Catholic Church is in error up to the rafters, (celibate priests, penance vs repentance, etc.), but this issue burns me up most of all.

You set yourself up to oppose god's church? quite presumptious. However, note that the Saints are held as heroes of the faith. The Church acknowledges that there are many unknown saints.
88 posted on 12/21/2004 12:02:06 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Malcolm
If you've accepted Jesus Christ as savior, you are a saint. This is not the purview of anyone on this earth, least of all the Church of the Inquisition and the Crusades. The Catholic Church is in error up to the rafters, (celibate priests, penance vs repentance, etc.), but this issue burns me up most of all.

Believe it or not, Catholics have heard these objections before, and they've all been answered.

If you want to change the hearts of Catholics, you will have to inform yourself regarding these issues.

Some resources:

Catechism of the Catholic Church
Summa Theologica
Church Fathers
Catholic Encyclopedia
Catholic Answers
Scripture Catholic
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism

104 posted on 12/21/2004 5:00:58 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Malcolm

Have you studied the early church fathers?


121 posted on 12/21/2004 6:35:50 AM PST by todd1
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To: Malcolm

Go away, little boy. We hear your kind of bleating a thousand times a day, and you contribute nothing to the issue.


140 posted on 12/21/2004 7:34:33 AM PST by dangus
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