Police angry over rifle delay

The Birmingham News ^ | Saturday, December 18, 2004 | CAROL ROBINSON

[7.62 x 51mm]

My AR-10, .308cal - 7.62 x 51mm uses the NATO round ammo; good explanation here:

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_firearms_ammo_762mm.php
and
http://www.fulton-armory.com/308.htm

A few months ago, a Jeep Wrangler was hit in the rear by a semi on I-83, here in the York, PA, area, and it exploded, incinerating the drive and passenger from MD. Other than that one, I haven't heard of any additionals. But you're right, the tank is clearly visible from the rear and exposed.

This is my 3rd Grand Cherokee LTD: '88, '94 and now '02. I will probably go to another SUV, next time, as I don't like Daimler-Chrysler products, anymore.

[IGOTMINE]

Have you SERIOUSLY wrung that AR10 out? I mean fire those 200 rounds over a ten minute period? I don't trust my AR10.

[7.62 x 51mm]

I've fired off 400 (20 x 20-round mags) inside of 10mins, the day after buying it, and run off 100-500 each session, since.

Never had a FTF - have with my AR-15s and Glocks - or with my Kimber .45cal.

Why don't you *trust* your AR-10? Ka-Booms?

http://www.thegunzone.com/m1akb.html

[IGOTMINE]

FTE, FTF.

I bought a new infantry weight upper...same problems. Sent it back to the factory. SEESM to be running OK now, but I would NOT bank my butt on that rifle.

I'm hoping to find a less expensive magazine solution, too.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Well, we don't have no risk managers....Thanks be to God. But I imagine it won't be long since we seem to be falling into the politically correct/IACP trap.

6 more years and I can retire. But I'll probably go in 8.

And, I am well, still working two full time jobs but still well.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Yeah, we've had them for years. Our steel mill bought them for the PD years ago. They sold a few of them but I believe we still have 3.

[Chemist_Geek]

Looking a lot more like an ordinary civilian hunting rifle means uninformed people will be less alarmed by its appearance.

With all due respect, if the situation's serious enough that it warrants breaking out the rifles or shotguns, I agree with Massad Ayoob - I want civilians alarmed and scared away into cover by their appearance.

[Chemist_Geek]

I am of the opinion based on my experience that most if not all PD's, LEO's ,Sheriff Departments need to double up their manpower so all patrols are 2 LEO's and one should have a shotgun an the other a rifle ,either bolt or semi-auto, that will punch ballistic body armor worn by a bad guy.

I agree about the two officer patrols, but I do realize that doing so halves the number of patrol units per shift.

I'm not as familiar with shotguns as I should be - what's the performance of 12 or 20 ga. slugs against Bad Guys' body armor? In the city, where I just moved away from last month, I could see rifle round overpenetration being a real problem. Out here where I am now it's much less of an issue.

[Brytani]

Last time I checked, cops do not have to worry about law abiding citizens carrying AR-15's and trying to take them out.

However, they do have to worry about CRIMINALS with weapons stronger than they are issued trying to kill them.

You have a bitch with gun laws, take it out on the politicians who pass them, not the police who's job it is to enforce the laws idiotic pols pass.

[Brytani]

Shoot out with FBI agents in Miami leading to the death of I believe 2 agents.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm

LA Bankrobbery shootout

http://www.emergency.com/lapdbank.htm

There's two and the criminals did much more than look stupid and bleed to death.

[Brytani]

People forget or just don't know that the police in Hollywood had to "borrow" guns from a local gun shop to protect themselves against the robbers.

Sad when our LEO's don't have the weapons they need to do their jobs.

[Squantos]

As most LEO patrols are reactionary in method these days the 2 man unit makes sense to me.....but that's just me. There will be pros and cons to every scenerio that are valid so it a call for the individual department to make IMHO.

As to a slug....It will not punch a threat level IIIA NIJ rated vest , yet will break ribs and make the person hit wish they were dead.

Head shots with 00 Buck .......potential for stopping the threat is "better" but not a sure thang !

Stay safe !

[DocH]

Thanks for the links.

I've only owned one Jeep, a small Comanche pickup. It wasn't too bad of a vehicle, but I ended up trading it in for a bigger truck with more power. Most of the trucks I've owned have been full-size Chevy's with reliable and powerful (enough) 350 engines. Luckily, I've had few problems with them.

I also owned a 1976 4-wheel drive Dodge Power Wagon pickup. It was O.K., but the 318 wasn't as powerful as a 350, and it sucked about the same amount of gas, so I got rid of it. Two weeks after I sold it, the rear differential went out. The guy had it sitting by the road in front of the shop, when some lady ran off the road and totalled it. I dodged (pun intended) a bullet that time, and the buyer lucked out too.

Although I like the looks of Dodge and Ford trucks, and Jeep vehicles, I just can't seem to talk myself into buying one. Chrysler products finally got the styling down (they used to be UGLY - remember the Aries K?), but they still seem to use cheaper hardware (even the plastic components seem like they're made of CHEAP plastic, and often are used where steel or some other metal should be used). Jeeps don't look to me to be safely engineered, and the two Fords I've owned seemed to always have something breaking or malfunctioning. Just my experience with them. I've had the most luck with Chevy, so I stick with them.

Good luck when you go to buy a different SUV.