Understanding Terror Networks

Foreign Policy Research Institute ^ | November 1, 2004 | Marc Sageman

[FReepaholic]

...Understanding Terror Networks...

ABC, CBS and NBC.

[Recon Dad]

Extremely insightful and encouraging from a pro.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"The segment that poses a threat to the United States came out of Egypt. Most of the leadership and the whole ideology of Al Qaeda derives from Egyptian writer Sayyid Qutb (1906–66) and his progeny, who killed Anwar Sadat and were arrested in October 1981. President Mubarak generously allowed them to be released in 1984."

He fails to even mention "The Muslim Brotherhood", which spawned ALL of this. Why?

[xJones]

It's fascinating that this entire report by a former CIA person only mentions Saudi Arabia one time, and only in passing:

France happened to generate a lot of my sample, fourth behind Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Morocco.

The article seems to want to deflect any attention from the Wahhabi Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

"Look, it's Egypt!" It's anything but the thousands of madrasses in Saudi Arabia than cranked out 15 of the 19 9/ll hijackers. His deliberate omission of Saudi raised terrorists is very telling.

[7.62 x 51mm]

Noticed that glaring ommission, too. Wonder why?

[Leisler]

"I wanted to ...to test the conventional wisdom about terrorism. ... social-network analysis of this group. "

All studies have scope and limitations. He clearly defined and stated so. Data leads were it does.

[Peach]

He also says there are no sleeper cells in the United States and never have been any.

Steven Emerson disagrees.

[xJones]

,i>All studies have scope and limitations. He clearly defined and stated so. Data leads were it does.

He certainly did define his scope, but by limiting any Saudi data, his results led to a very skewed report. He should go to work for Zogby.:)

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"Noticed that glaring ommission, too. Wonder why?"

perhaps ref #2 below is a hint?


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[trek]

"His deliberate omission of Saudi raised terrorists is very telling."

Ok, Saudi-phobes, prepare for flaming!

Now that we have that out of the way. This guy has it right. The Wahabbis in Saudi are not the same as the Salafists. The analysis in this article is very sophisticated and right on. The Salafists have always opposed the Saudi monarchy. The Salafists lost a war with the Saudi Royals. That war led to the creation of the current Kingdom. This is why Al Qaeda hates the Royal family and is trying to destroy it. The Communists also hate the Saudi Government. This goes all the way back to the Cold War.

The current regime in Saudi is our most important ally in the war on terror. I believe in the right of the Israelis to rule in their own country. But the Saudis are a much more valuable ally in the war on terror than the Israelis. No knock on the Israelis. They kick ass. But the Saudis are invaluable to us not just in controlling the Salafists but also in countering the Khomeiniacs.

Ok gang. The asbestos suit is on. Flame away!

[Vaduz]

and a.c.l.u.

[MrBambaLaMamba]

The best way to end war and ensure peace is to kill the enemy.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/MuslimBrotherhood-todays-Jihad.htm

KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORY OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING TODAY’S ISLAMIC WAR AGAINST THE WEST

Part I
From Wahhabi Islam to the Muslim Brotherhood
1902-1928

Part II
Muslim Brotherhood Unites With Hitler’s Third Reich
1933-2002

Part III
Arab League and Muslim Brotherhood
Voice of Amin Al-Husseini into the 20th and 21st Century
1945 - 2002

Part IV
Legacy of Death and Hate

Over Ten Million Human Beings Murdered in half a century.

[reformedliberal]

I have been thinking about this and it makes some sense to me that SA is not the Prime Enemy. My tentative conclusion is based on 1) the legacy media has put Saudi and especially the putative Bush family/Saudi relationship front and center for 3+ years. I am suspicious of everything coming out of that media source.

2)There appears to be a schizophrenic relationship between State/CIA and Saudi. On the one hand, most of State, especially those involved directly w/the Arab states, have a severe case of clientitis and can be documented to go through a revolving door from State to various SA-funded foundations/think tanks/PR firms. OTOH, people I have known in low level State positions, especially those involved with the Visa Express, et al programs, have a personal, visceral distaste for the Saudi officials w/whom they interact.

I have thought that it is likely that the Saudis funded the Whabbist schools and foundations and then the Salafists gained control of those institutions.

Also, since the election, I haven't seen as much Saudi-bashing in the legacy media as before/during the election. This could well be because I have cut back on my legacy media exposure and cut communications with people I suspect of pushing the CIA/State anti-Bush propaganda.

I am waiting to see what Condi does at State and the results of Goss' purge at the Agency.

I think this article has some merit.

[trek]

I assume you are agreeing with me. From your own source (emphasis mine):

(1927) Wahhabi extremists revolt against Saudi regime because of dealings with West. Rebellion is crushed. Extremists relocate in Egypt. Thoughts of Jihad against the West and America become central to the movement.

[7.62 x 51mm]

We certainly have had our fingers in a lot of pies, over the years, haven't we? This article's worth a closer read... thanks, V.

And thank you for your service; welcome home.

[dogcaller]

Speaking of terrorist networks...I have been looking for months now for some insights into the so-called "insurgency" we have been dealing with in Iraq.

One week it is largely foreign jihadis; the next we are told few foreigners are to be found.

It is my hope that in the year since we caught Saddam that we have productively used the same techniques to unwrap this thing and that we will see the Coalition equivalent of the 'night of the long knives' just before the elections.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"I assume you are agreeing with me......"

No, I am not......because the following is the point you try to make.......

"The current regime in Saudi is our most important ally in the war on terror."

But if you choose to justify it with current/recent facts/observations/whatever, I'd be interested in reading it......

[SauronOfMordor]

Taking these perceived root causes in turn, three quarters of my sample came from the upper or middle class. The vast majority—90 percent—came from caring, intact families. Sixty-three percent had gone to college, as compared with the 5-6 percent that’s usual for the third world. These are the best and brightest of their societies in many ways.

Throughout history, you have most revolutionary leadership coming from the middle class, because they're the ones with the education.

What makes a revolutionary is his self image of "Hey! I should be IN CHARGE! I could make the world a more ideal place", coupled with a sense of bitterness that the established power structure has not recognised his abilities and rewarded him with an appropriate position in the power structure.

In post 11, trek notes: "But the Saudis are invaluable to us not just in controlling the Salafists but also in countering the Khomeiniacs".

Keep in mind that Saudi has funded lots of mosques and madrassas worldwide. Keep in mind that they export lots of radical imams to run these mosques and madrassas. What if the political calculus of the Saudi power structure is "If liquidating the radicals in Saudi Arabia would cause us unacceptable political problems, the next best thing would be to EXPORT them". A radical imam, exported to Europe, and dependent upon Saudi finances to keep his mosque open, is much less of a threat to the Saudi power structure, and is transformed into a useful pawn.

The key part of the article is that a handful of mosques produce most of the terrorists. As I keep saying, the terrorists are mosquitoes. However many we swat, more will come. Radical Islam is the swampt that breeds them in endless numbers. If we want to handle terrorism, you must drain the swamp, starting with mosques of the radical Imams