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The article is a couple of weeks old, from the Wall Street Journal, but they only allow exerpts, and you'd need a subscription to read the whole thing. This is a reprint from another newspaper. The article I copied has a different title: "God made evolution, prof says." The title of the thread is from the WSJ's article. (The bold and underlining is added by me.)

I like this Richard Colling. He says what some of us have been saying around here for years.

1 posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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I like these quotes:

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." ~ Einstein

"I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." ~ Einstein

"God does not play dice"~ Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle".


97 posted on 12/19/2004 9:51:39 AM PST by FBD (Report illegals and their employers at: http://www.reportillegals.com/)
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Interesting article.

It isn't very fair and balanced though....the writer almost has an orgasm about this guy.


116 posted on 12/19/2004 1:23:47 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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That said, I do think evolution should be taught. I may not be convinced of it, but to leave people ignorant of such a unifying concept of biology would be doing a great disservice to students.

And if the Earth is only 6,000 years old, I am Barbara Streisand.


117 posted on 12/19/2004 1:25:20 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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This stuff is just jibberjabber. It's laughable nonsense. The "DNA evidence" is a joke. It's like phrenology - some people had "scientic" jibberjabber to support that, too. The hoax is circling the drain...


131 posted on 12/19/2004 1:47:18 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.)
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they set themselves up for failure and even ridicule

Well y'all should know by now we could care less

155 posted on 12/19/2004 4:42:42 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (''On the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the Earth" GeorgeW.Bush)
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Here's a couple of new stories just posted on the 'net today.

Baby talk key to evolution

Evolution: Planet of the Apes

171 posted on 12/19/2004 6:15:53 PM PST by shuckmaster
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"It pains me to suggest that my religious brothers are telling falsehoods" when they say evolutionary theory is "in crisis" and claim that there is widespread skepticism about it among scientists. "Such statements are blatantly untrue," he argues; "evolution has stood the test of time and considerable scrutiny."

This is pure bunk. Evolution has not withstood the test of time as he says and doesn't hold up under scrutiny.. that's for starters. As soon as you start poking at it, the theories many holes become apparent. Given the theory is written on crepe paper to begin with, poking holes has pretty serious consequences.


217 posted on 12/20/2004 2:33:35 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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"People should not feel they have to deny reality in order to experience their faith"

Excellent article and I agree on so many points. Richard Colling is the man! There is something very wrong if one is having to make all sorts of mental contortions to keep ones theology from being crushed under the weight of science and common sense. My personal opinion is it is best to carry around as little theological baggage as possible - find the essence of your faith and focus on that. I think the best way is a rational scientific view of the outer world and a deep inner life based on contemplation and prayer. These days we find ministers that reject science as the devil's deceptions and yet don't bother with prayer - these people have forsaken knowledge of both the material and spiritual worlds.


245 posted on 12/20/2004 4:10:09 AM PST by Avenger
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I have never observed as mich rigor given to verifying the exponential formulas used to justify any ancient dating of material as I have observed 'evolutionists' devote themselves to creating evolutionary trails.

The dating method is simply a convenient method of ignoring the weaknesses inherant in 'evolution' by asserting something is billions or trillions of years old.

This lack of concern by evolutionary theorists doesn't give me any good grounds to find their premises override Scripture.

On the contrary, the lackidasical method implied by appealing to a very broadly expressed exponential,..and then emphatically holding on to figures of billions and trillions, merely manifests how ignorant arrogance matures despite the amount of academic study any soul devotes themselves to absorbing information.

I state this not as supporting 'creationism', but as one who simply assumed 'evolution' as being accepted fact. The more I have studied the issue, the less I've found 'evolutionary' proponents to render a 'scientific' viewpoint in favor of simple arrogance and opposition to anything or any idea which might be holy.


246 posted on 12/20/2004 4:16:12 AM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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[ Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists ]

Not SO...

Jesus came to make ALL religion obsolete, and did...
How many religious fundamentalists are out there..?

Theres millions to be hornswoggled, just waiting..

433 posted on 12/20/2004 10:35:41 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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"It pains me to suggest that my religious brothers are telling falsehoods" - I feeeeel your pain

"denying science makes us [Conservative Christians] look stupid" - if it 'pains him to suggest' above, this must kill him...

"denying science" - Wonder what he thinks of those who deny God?

"People should not feel they have to deny reality in order to experience their faith" - It is like this guy is in my head. As a person of faith, I wake every morning, deny reality, and head out into this world.

A lot of denying going on...

PatrickHenry - I like this Richard Colling. He says what some of us have been saying around here for years.

He is like our (conservative, devout, fundy - I think they hit all the 'talking points') own little John McCain. He will keep saying it as long as people keep repeating it...
455 posted on 12/20/2004 11:17:36 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Speechless...)
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Does this article assume Christiam fundamentalist are opposed to hearing opposing views? So what if someone wants to present the theory of evolution, the big bang theory or whatever. Christians are not the ones so weak in their faith that they should oppose the study of what other people think.

Certainly at a Christian school the kids are going to get the teaching of creationism.

As I understand the debate going on in the teaching of evolution, it is those that believe in evolution that are intollerant of discussion of other beliefs.


552 posted on 12/20/2004 2:04:00 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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as soon as you mention evolution in anything louder than a whisper, you have people who aren't very happy

That's what happens when you've had a lie without a single shred of evidence rammed down your throat by a bunch of godless heathens for over one hundred years.

553 posted on 12/20/2004 2:04:17 PM PST by mrfixit514
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Oddly it seems to be evolution that has sat itself up for failure and ridicule. Kind of like Democrats warning Republicans that their win is not to be taken as a mandate.

Didn't evolutionists just admit to several spontaneous eruptions of different species of life over a graduated period of time? Or did they not?


693 posted on 12/20/2004 4:44:14 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists

Yeah, Fundies don't tend to buy BS too easily.

894 posted on 12/21/2004 11:35:41 AM PST by Terriergal (...the fool has said in his heart 'there is no God')
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I don't buy it, but he's more qualified than me, so I'll let it go with little argument.

He may deal with the specifics of the stories elsewhere, but there are biblical stories told that his "God-guided evolution" has to dovetail into at some point.

I don't see how he can pull it off.

For example, pull a rational dovetailing of stories that puts australopithecus into the fall in Eden.


1,043 posted on 12/22/2004 4:06:34 AM PST by xzins (The Party Spirit -- the major issue that keeps me from taking them seriously.)
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Fundamentalists largely have problems in my experience with just the very basics of theological thought.

For example, some of the greatest arguments for religion ever done were done by St Thomas Aquinas.

He argued the 5 proofs of God's existence... and he spoke in them that effectively change and evolution are defacto proof of God's existence.. Now he did not speak of biological evolution as he wrote long before Darwin lived. However change, regardless of what it is, is at its core observable evidence of God's existence.

Evolution and Theology are not in conflict, never have been, even the Vatican has agreed that Evolution is not in conflict with religion. It is disheartening that both the religious and the pegan refuse to accept this.


1,052 posted on 12/22/2004 7:02:16 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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"evolution has stood the test of time and considerable scrutiny."

What new species have evolved since the theory surfaced ?

1,072 posted on 12/22/2004 10:30:26 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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