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Morton Kondracke: Immigration reform is a worthy issue for Bush (CITIZENSHIP for illegal aliens)
Naples Daily News ^ | 12/14/2004 | Morton Kondracke

Posted on 12/15/2004 7:26:47 PM PST by nanak

If President Bush is going to keep his promise to spend political capital on a bold second-term agenda, he should include comprehensive immigration reform that offers deserving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

To do so, he'd have to face down a noisy, but not large, anti-immigrant claque in the Republican Party that's determined to use the threat of terrorism as an excuse to, in effect, erect "Stay Out!" signs at the U.S. border, even to restrict legal immigration.

In reality, creating a process to legalize illegals would help homeland security by allowing law enforcement agencies to concentrate on border security and tracking down criminals and potential terrorists — rather than chasing after millions of ordinary undocumented aliens, especially Hispanics.

This logic seems to have impressed border-state Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has told immigrant-rights groups that comprehensive immigration reform is his top priority for the next Congress.

McCain has begun working on reform with Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., who favors granting legal status — and, eventually, citizenship — to illegals who have been in the country for several years, have jobs, pay taxes, maintain clean records, learn English and pay a fine.

Bush has a record of favoring immigration reform, but it remains unclear how far he's willing to go with it. In 2001, he seemed to favor a process that would allow illegals to earn their way to citizenship. This year, he's advocated a worker-permit program that may or may not lead to permanent legal status.

It's a good sign that the administration worked to exclude language sought by House Judiciary Chairman Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., from the intelligence reform legislation that recently passed Congress.

Bush will face a new test when Sensenbrenner's measure — which would bar states from giving drivers' licenses to illegal aliens — comes back for consideration next year. He and other restrictionists argued that, because some of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists gained access to aircraft using drivers' licenses as identification, all illegal aliens should be denied them.

But this is simply a device to make life more difficult for illegal aliens. The 9/11 terrorists, or any terrorists, just as easily could have used their passports — or could use phony passports, or drivers' licenses — to board aircraft.

The commission that investigated the 9/11 disaster specifically declared that its report called for "strong federal standards for the issuance of birth certificates and other sources of identification, such as drivers' licenses, to avoid the identity fraud that terrorists can exploit. We did not make any recommendations about licenses for undocumented aliens. That issue did not arise in our investigation, as all hijackers entered the United States with documentation ... (and) were therefore 'legal immigrants' at the time when they received their drivers' licenses."

To foster humane and effective immigration reform, Bush will need to re-educate the public, which tends to hold (according to polls) that America would be better off with fewer immigrants, both legal and illegal.

In fact, most serious studies show that immigrants are a net asset to the country. Illegal immigrants tend to take menial jobs that Americans won't. They pay taxes. But because they live in the legal shadows, they often get exploited by unscrupulous employers.

On Sept. 6, 2001, with Mexican President Vicente Fox at his side, Bush said, "There are many in our country who are undocumented, and we want to make sure their work is legal."

Soon after, in a White House briefing, officials told immigrant-rights groups that the administration leaned toward allowing illegals to earn their way toward citizenship.

But all work on immigration reform stopped after Sept. 11. It resurfaced this year as Bush worked to expand his support among Hispanic voters. At one point, he called for a work-permit system for illegals and told the League of United Latin American Citizens, "We will keep working to make this nation a welcoming place for Hispanic people, a land of opportunity para todos (for all) who live here in America."

On the other hand, apparently in a bid to appease restrictionists in the GOP, administration officials also indicated that workers would have to return to their home countries when their work permits expired. This provision almost surely would discourage illegals from signing up.

Though analysts differ on the quality of exit-poll data on Hispanics, the Election Day numbers do indicate that Bush gained anywhere from five to nine points among Hispanics. Future growth for the GOP in this demographic depends upon who calls the shots on policy — Bush and McCain, or restrictionists such as Reps. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., Elton Gallegly, D-Calif., and Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

Even though Tancredo and company get wide publicity — and have been aided recently by anti-immigration television and radio hosts, such as CNN's Lou Dobbs — their legislative power in Congress has actually been waning.

In 1995, by a vote of 257-173, the House passed an amendment offered by Gallegly that would have required public schools to expel the children of illegal immigrants.

By contrast, this May, the House defeated, by a vote of 331-88, a Rohrabacher proposed amendment that would have prevented hospitals from being reimbursed for medical care provided to undocumented immigrants unless they reported them to the Homeland Security Department.

On the other hand, this November, Arizona voters approved ballot Proposition 200, a measure designed to squeeze illegal immigration, by almost 60 percent. (Its implementation is being held up in court.)

McCain cited Prop. 200 — plus vigilante action by Arizonans against illegals and the deaths of illegal border-crossers in the Arizona deserts — as his motivation for making immigration reform his top priority.

In the 108th Congress, McCain sponsored, along with Reps. Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., and Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., legislation similar to Kennedy's that would have granted a path to citizenship to qualified illegals.

Kennedy's legislation, however, also would have expedited citizenship for the spouses and children of legal immigrants, clearing backlogs of five to seven years, depending on the country of origin.

It's not clear whether Bush will propose his own legislation next year or wait for Congress to act and get involved, as he often does, when House and Senate conferees are hammering out final legislation.

On this issue, though, having Bush's leadership early on would be welcome. He could also order the Homeland Security Department to use judgment before it summarily expels illegals who are parents of small children or locks up asylum-seekers whether they present a terrorist threat or not.

Restrictionists will charge that "amnesty" simply encourages illegal immigration. Bush can respond that "earned legalization" recognizes the reality that 9 million illegal aliens are not leaving — and that authorities should stop chasing them and focus on terrorists.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; bushamnesty; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform; kennedy; kondracke; mccain
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To: Fatalis

No


121 posted on 12/15/2004 10:22:15 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against terrorists. They're killing them in Iraq.)
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To: bayourod
So you suspected their illegality but asked no questions and continued to allow them to work on your property.

That's not exactly due diligence on your part.

122 posted on 12/15/2004 10:25:28 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: Travis McGee
Future growth for the GOP in this demographic (Hispanic) depends upon who calls the shots on policy — Bush and McCain, or restrictionists such as Reps. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., Elton Gallegly, D-Calif., and Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

I'm not so sure opposition to illegal immigration is such a loser. I attach a post I made on another thread below;

The popular political fiction that to oppose Illegal Immigration is to risk a loss of Hispanic and other Legal Immigrant/citizen votes would appear to fly in the face of logic. After all, Illegals end up competing directly with Legals for the very entry level jobs Legals are prepared/need to assume and, in this process, drives down wages for both groups and raises unemployment for Legals higher than it would be save for the Illegals competition. - i.e. A losing proposition for Legals and perhaps Naturalized Immigrants, higher Social costs to taxpayers and general chaos all around.

I'm not aware of any polls on this subject but I suspect there would be more opposition to Illegal Immigration by Legals than conventional wisdom suggests. Anyone aware of such a poll?

123 posted on 12/15/2004 10:29:00 PM PST by drt1
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To: bayourod
Did the think the laborers building your wall exhibited better attitudes about doing the work than your neighbor's 22 year old daughter would if she were forced to do that type work?

How many twenty-year old latinas do you see on construction sites?

124 posted on 12/15/2004 10:31:10 PM PST by primeval patriot (Let me off at Archer, and I'll walk down to Greenwood)
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To: Travis McGee

"I don't like where this "master and servant" mentality is taking America."

Amen. These issues are economically, socially, culturally, and politically intertwined and potentially devastating in the long run.

I have spoken on many posts about how many of these policies adopted worldwide are leading to establishment of neo-feudal societies.

I define Neo-feudal society as one where capitalism and socialism merge into a third way economic system. It could also be considered a neo-caste system. The first country to achieve this system will be China IMHO, but thats a topic for another thread or two!


125 posted on 12/15/2004 10:31:44 PM PST by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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To: drt1
Illegals end up competing directly with Legals for the very entry level jobs Legals are prepared/need to assume

How about guest IT/technical workers (on H-1b and L-1 visas) competing with AMERICANS?

126 posted on 12/15/2004 10:33:09 PM PST by nanak (Tom Tancredo 2008:Last Hope to Save America)
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To: Dat Mon
"If this owner had to pay a decent wage for his menial labor, he would entertain the prospect of buying a somewhat more expensive machine from ME, an American manufacturer of high tech, which allows him to employ less unskilled workers, but more SKILLED workers instead, increasing his productivity. "

You've never been in a machine shop have you? Give yourself a very quick but very valuable education. Do a Google search for "CNC machines" and just glance at a few of the sites.

127 posted on 12/15/2004 10:36:16 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against terrorists. They're killing them in Iraq.)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; Joe Hadenuf; SandRat; Ajnin; FITZ; dennisw; ApesForEvolution; Lunkhead_01; ...

Please see my post #123. Not sure how to Ping yet.


128 posted on 12/15/2004 10:37:00 PM PST by drt1
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To: skeeter
OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks

If you didn't figure this out when Clinton got reelected you never will.

129 posted on 12/15/2004 10:39:46 PM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: usadave
Thanks
130 posted on 12/15/2004 10:40:09 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: nanak
How about guest IT/technical workers (on H-1b and L-1 visas) competing with AMERICANS?

That's true. My concern in the post was the immigrant minority who are voters and at the lower/entry level end of the job chain.

131 posted on 12/15/2004 10:40:20 PM PST by drt1
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To: bayourod
You've never been in a machine shop have you?

*Raises hand*

Are you not offering enough incentives to hire U.S. citizens?

But when you've got an endless supply of third-worlders theres no need.

132 posted on 12/15/2004 10:42:23 PM PST by primeval patriot (Let me off at Archer, and I'll walk down to Greenwood)
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To: Dat Mon

Very thought provoking post. Maybe even 3 threads worth! :-)


133 posted on 12/15/2004 10:43:13 PM PST by drt1
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To: bayourod

Hey, Bayourod--why don't you ever answer any of the tough questions that people toss at you?


134 posted on 12/15/2004 10:43:14 PM PST by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: Lunkhead_01
Real immigration reform would place a bounty on each crimalien captured. Each crimalien so turned over would have his or her face permanently tatooed bright red.

Another keeper. What's funny is you think anybody outside of your ever shrinking point of view will respond favorably to this.

135 posted on 12/15/2004 10:43:23 PM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: nanak
Seador Juan McCain, Representativo Jim Kolbe, Representativo Jeff Flake

And they just keep on getting re-elected Kolbe's been re-elected like 10 times now. McCain has 20 years of service too? Don't the voters of Arizona understand the issue of illegal immigration as clearly as people from where ever you are?

136 posted on 12/15/2004 10:47:43 PM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: primeval patriot
A number of FReepers have made statements to the effect that illegals are taking jobs away from teenagers.

As an employer which would you prefer, a twenty year old boy or girl doing a job that they considered unpleasant just to make some spending money during Summer vacation or a thirty year old immigrant who is thankful to have the job in order to feed his family?

Which employee would you prefer. One who is wanting to get a better, easier job or one who thinks the one he has is just fine?

Would you prefer an employee who thinks the job he's doing is beneath him but begrudgingly does it, or one who takes pride in the job and feels no shame in telling his friends what he does?

137 posted on 12/15/2004 10:47:49 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against terrorists. They're killing them in Iraq.)
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To: Calico Cat
Are you refering to the question of how we handle "coolie" labor? That's not hard. We handle it the same way we handled coolie labor.

Supply and demand, free markets, capitalism, etc...

138 posted on 12/15/2004 10:53:09 PM PST by bayourod (Our troops are already securing our borders against terrorists. They're killing them in Iraq.)
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To: bayourod

"You've never been in a machine shop have you?"

My company subcontracts to local CNC machine shops all the time. I primarily use a small shop I know where the owner is a small businessman I can trust for quality and delivery.

Whats your point? What am I missing here?


139 posted on 12/15/2004 10:57:29 PM PST by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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To: bayourod

But don't you think that the more sinister aspect of this laissez-faire 'capitalism' you espouse is an active interest in keeping a certain percentage of the population uneducated and desperate? Right now, Mexico has no interest in providing for its own population, because they can be farmed out to the U.S. In return, the U.S. has no interest in putting pressure on Mexico to reform, because Mexico is a source for an endless supply of cheap labor.

(If I don't respond tonight...I've got to get some sleep, but I'll try to get back here tomorrow).


140 posted on 12/15/2004 10:58:05 PM PST by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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