Posted on 12/15/2004 7:26:47 PM PST by nanak
Kondracke just lost his wife after a long battle with a terminal illness. MS I think. That's why he favors embryonic stem cell research.
Mort's been in the Beltway far too long.
"In this country there are no "white" jobs and "brown" jobs."
Absolutely mon.
I worked my way through school doing two things...working in rock bands and having my own LANDSCAPE BUSINESS.
I worked every bit as hard...probably harder than most illegals today. Didnt harm me a bit...got a good tan out of it too!
I would hate to see the opportunites I had denied to young people today who also want to work grunt jobs to get through school.
So why not let law abiding guest workers do the work?
Why are you so hot to reward illegal aliens at their expense?
I have had several hundred employees in about a dozen businesses. All have been paid in accordance with the law and what they were worth to me as an employer, regardless of their race or ethnicity.
If some were out of status at times while employed by me I did not know it.
Currently I don't have any employees as I am working for another company.
Here's a little reminder to jog your memory from a few months back. This is how you answered then.
1. Do you employ Illegal Aliens, as you've implied?
Not currently.
2. Do you have Illegal Alien gardeners, as you've implied?
Probably.
42 posted on 07/08/2004 7:25:44 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry, the human downer, knows the words to "optimism" but can't quite get the tune right.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
97 posted on 12/15/2004 9:51:09 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."---President DWIGHT EISENHOWER
If you only value you BOTTOMLINE(e.g. hiring illegals) above your country, your will soon loose both.
That's what I would prefer. But I didn't think you supported President Bush's guest worker plan.
Even the middle class from Mexico has a problem with that ---- they might make $2 or $3 an hour --- but they're still too good to do the work that they believe is meant for the brown ones. They might envy an American for what looks like wealth but are bewildered that the American doesn't consider himself or his kids "too good" for honest jobs. They just don't know where to place you then --- you picked fruit as a teenager???? That means you must be poor.... but you lived in a 2000 sq foot house and your family owned 2 cars and several televisions??? That means you must be rich. How confusing. I know kids of doctors and lawyers who worked those so-called menial jobs that would be unheard of for even a Mexican middle class --- much less well-off kid to ever do.
You knoe what disgusts me? Seeing rich American teenagers lounging by their private pool, while illegal aliens trim the hedges and mow the lawns right around them.
Growing up, that never happened. Our parents raised us on Great Depression tales, and we did our own damn yards, ourselves. It was expected.
Now the teenagers have known only cell phones and Playstations all their lives. They think yardwork is something brownskinned short folks do for them.
I don't like where this "master and servant" mentality is taking America.
Americans also don't want to do the high tect IT jobs, bring in more and more professional IT workers on H-1B/L-1 visas(companies are doing it right now, and make these workers work 12-14 hours/day, six days/week, and $25,000/year) I think the companies pay these professional guest IT workers according to what they deserve.
Me too --- I've done all kinds of jobs --- some just for the fun of it and the extra spending money we liked to have as kids. No one from the American middle class is that un-connected with the reality of middle class to think that all "white" kids will not work until they have a professional degree and a high paying job or that no middle class American parent would allow their kids to work such jobs. That's totally outlandish --- but it reveals much about those who make these statements.
Not currently.
What did you mean by that, then? Hard keeping all those stories straight....good thing for us FR is searchable.
"The shop owner programs the machine and the operator feeds and lubes it for hour after hour.
It's boring, tedious, dirty work that you don't want your children to do all their lives, but which immigrants take great pride in being allowed to do."
You are making my point. Thanks for the help!
If this owner had to pay a decent wage for his menial labor, he would entertain the prospect of buying a somewhat more expensive machine from ME, an American manufacturer of high tech, which allows him to employ less unskilled workers, but more SKILLED workers instead, increasing his productivity.
With the new high tech machines, he doesnt want or need unskilled people who dont speak the language, he wants people with a basic education who can at a minimum read and understand English directions, most likely program the machines themselves.
Then, the owner concentrates on doing things to market and grow his or her business.
Why?
Come on Rod, you forgot to mention how they move on to owning and operating those shops.
Are you saying American citizens don't want to work their way up and own a lucrative franchise?
"Growing up, that never happened. Our parents raised us on Great Depression tales, and we did our own damn yards, ourselves. It was expected. I don't like where this "master and servant" mentality is taking America."
If we expect all physical work to be done by illegal immigrants, and we "outsource" all our factories to China, how prepared is our nation going to be if WW2 were to reoccur? You don't win a war with a computer video game.
I actually think some of our current problems in Iraq stem from the deconstruction of the military, and the neglect of its physical assets as we pursued the "army of the future."
I still remember when the Internet was going to put the "old economy" out of business. We saw where that went.
Oh, I get it, Bayourod. Coolie labor, right?
And what happens when the current generation of illegals is too sick or old to work, and their children become too assimilated to take those feather-plucking, road-tarring jobs? Why, import more desperate third-worlders. You've made the case for keeping the third world uneducated and poor...after all, we've got to ensure that they keep providing the apple-pickers and chicken-slitters so necessary to keep our own economy going.
Pathetic.
Did you ask your gardener if his workers were documented?
A typical Amigo de Fox.
How do you know? They might have been paid very well for manual laborers.
And since you have no reason to believe they were illegal what difference does it make? Would you want your children to do that type work for the rest of their lives?
There are many reasons why an employer would prefer to hire one person over another other than simply the difference in pay scale. If you were an employer you would know that attitude is one of the most important factors.
Did the think the laborers building your wall exhibited better attitudes about doing the work than your neighbor's 22 year old daughter would if she were forced to do that type work?
They won't need to be imported they'll come for the promise of amnesty, just as the current crop have.
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