Finding Homosexual Threads in Lincoln's Legend

NYT ^ | 12/15/04 | DINITIA SMITH

[danmar]

...nice twist Chief!

[citizencon]

Mr. Tripp...influential gay writer.

Hmmmm. Could he be just wishful thinking?

[California Patriot]

Absurd story based on very thin evidence. Typical NYT standards.

[Alouette]

cites a diary entry from Nov. 16, 1862, by Virginia Woodbury Fox, wife of Gustavus Fox, assistant secretary of the Navy.

What did Mrs. Fox know and when did she know it?

[AZ_Cowboy]

You know, the real hell of this article is that I was having a discussion about historical revisionism just this weekend, and honest to God, I concluded with, "The next thing you know, they'll make Abraham Lincoln gay or make Thomas Edison into a bisexual."

That came up after the recent attempts were made to make Alexander the Great out to be bi. This weekend, the History Channel ran a hit-piece on Benjamin Franklin, essentially asserting that he was the Hugh Hefner of the 1780s.

Some dude just wrote a proper, politically-incorrect History book, I understand. I don't have the name in front of me, but I caught the tail-end of a discussion on the radio today.

[COEXERJ145]

First of all don't call me kid. I consider that to be a derogatory term. Second of all, I was attempting to discuss the thread's topic using what he posted as an example of what academia tries to do these days.

[Muleteam1]

NYT - New York Tripe. One has only to consider the source.

[AZ_Cowboy]

Aha!

I got so worked up over the prophetical nautre of my statement, that I forgot to point out that the labeling of any prominent individual that ever contests democrat orthodoxy a gay is nothing new by the left.

Ann Coulter noted the treatment of J. Edgar Hoover in "Treason', as a matter of a fact. She also noted that they very rarely do it to living people, however. It was one of her catchier quotes, although it's a bit racy to employ here I think.

Typical leftists. Thay can't really argue intellectually anymore, so they resort to basal labeling or to attacking dead people. Dead people can't defend themselves.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

"Including my own sister...."

Awe, Man! What IS it these days? Is it 'Standard Family Issue' to have someone who is gay in our families? My sister is a Feminazi Lesbian. Walk a mile in MY shoes Sistah, LOL!

Lincoln. Gay? If he was so bizzy with his boyfriends, when did he have time to write all of those great speeches? I recite "The Gettysburg Address" while I run. It takes me, and the speech 2.2 miles and we can still do it in 20 minutes.

Grrr! I hate this friggin' Gay Agenda. No, LOATHE is a better word, one I usually reserve only for The Klintoons!

(I hear The HildaBeast is gay; why don't they recruit her? She'd be a great asset to their agenda.)

[texasmountainman]

To the Slimes, a bunch of BS like this non-story gets printed, but real stories like the Oil-For-Food scandal and the racist takeover of farms in Zimbabwe don't see the light of day.

[GloriaJane]

The NYT's is beginning to read like the National Enquirer. Except, I think the National Enquirer has more truth in it.

[Heyworth]

Oh, just wait a while. FR's resident brigade of Lincoln bashers will be along shortly to endorse every word of this theory. They'll also tell you that Lincoln had syphilis, was the most vile racist in American history, despised the Constitution, inspired Hitler, sought to exterminate the Indians and ate southern babies for his Sunday dinner.

[Revererdrv]

Maybe Gays want to prove other people are gay to force people to believe being gay is normal behavior. If they keep it up, sooner or later the majority of people will think it is o.k. It is already normal behavior in Hollywood and other parts of the country such as San Francisco.

[netmilsmom]

>>My sister is a Feminazi Lesbian. <<

I've got you beat!
My sister is an ex-Cleveland Teacher/flaming lib/lesbian (after two marriages and four children) with Munchausen Syndrome!

Thank GOD she lives on the East side of Cleveland and I live in Detroit.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

You win! And Thank You, God! I don't mind losing on this point, LOL!

Grrrr! Children involved! At least my sister has been kind enough to NOT reproduce...yet!

[exnavychick]

Good golly, I hope you're wrong about that...what kind of crap is that? Unless it's THOROUGHLY documented by SEVERAL, INDEPENDENT sources, I'll stick to what I learned in American History.

Geesh...that really freaks me out. Besides, to my mind, Lincoln couldn't have been that racist if he signed the Emancipation Proclamation, politics nonwithstanding.

[danmar]

...whatever floats your boat, paisano!

[exnavychick]

Yeah, and that is scary. Riddle me this...if it's normal and natural behavior, then why are there so many risks associated with it? (And other promiscious behavior, for that matter?)

That's an easy argument to chop apart, I know, but that kind of thinking just steams me up.

[Twinkie]

These people accuse, attack, surmise, imagine and pick apart historical figures with total irresponsibility when the person is safely DEAD and can't defend themselves. Back in those days, it was not unusual for people, living in very cramped quarters and with limited beds and bedding to share beds. Visiting female visitors might sleep three to a bed or four "cross-twixt" of the bed. Visiting male friends and relatives might sleep two and three to a bed, or on a the same pallet on the floor. Dolly Parton slept with her little sisters, several of them to one bed, because of scarce furnishings. She remarked in one of her books that she actually missed waking up lying on "warm pee" from one of her littler sisters when she came to Nashville to live by herself.

Katherine Hepburn was once told (after she was grown) about "homosexuality" and she asked what it was. Her Hollywood friends told her in detail. She refused to believe it, stating, "That is not a physical possibility; there's nothing worthwhile in that!"

People in Lincoln's time were too busy trying to just survive, to cut and chop enough wood in the winter to stay reasonably warm, to raise enough food in the spring and summer to not starve, plowing with mules from sun-up to sundown, foraging for wild foods and berries, feeding the horses and mules, milking, slopping the hogs, building the fire every winter morning (not an easy task), harvesting the garden, weeding, planting, chopping and picking cotton for clothing, delivering corn to the grist mill after you plant, hoe, harvest, shuck and remove the grains from the cobs, gathering the cobs to a barrel because that's your Charmin, killing your chicken cause that's your KFC, scalding, plucking and cutting up first, of course, killing your hogs come the coldest days of October and all the butchering and rendering that goes with that, making lye for Momma to make the soap to do your laundry with cause that's your Ivory and L'Oreal shampoo of the day, running errands for your Momma and Daddy, gathering eggs, cutting slabs of ham from the hog shanks hanging in the smokehouse, repairing your shoes if you have any, bathing yourself in a pan with a rag and lye soap, bringing in water from the spring or the well, fishing, hunting, cleaning the old shotgun you hunt with because it's precious, cleaning the squirrel you shot today because your stomach is growling and that's your McDonald's Happy Meal. . . and on, and on .
and finding time at the end of the day to study by a coal oil lamp in a drafty one-room cabin, eyes burning from the oil and feet freezing from the wind whistling through the lonesome pines outside . . .

Abraham Lincoln didn't have time to pursue a whole lot of foolishness, and I'm not a raving fan of Lincoln, seeing the Southern side of the argument in a somewhat biased angle. Lincoln also loved his wife and enjoyed women. He
was not a person obsessed with sex judging from what one can
logically imagine from what we know about just the demands of his life in general.

[Chode]

Abe Lincoln... the original Log Cabin Republican???