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Is the Bill of Rights a "disaster"?
The Washington Times | December 15, 2004 | Rick Lynch

Posted on 12/15/2004 10:34:15 AM PST by RayStacy

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To: JustAnotherOkie

You're correct. You have a right to practice your religion or be an atheist or agnostic. The Government will not tell you which religion or course you will practice. THAT is what the separation of Church and State is all about. The ACLU seems to think that only by abolishing all religious symbols will fulfill that but it is just the opposite. It doesn't fulfill the clause but denys it.


41 posted on 12/15/2004 11:27:26 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: valuesvaluesvalues
AGREED!!! Sadly, the ACLU and the libs have turned the 1st amendment into a completely unworkable headache<<<

Among Christians, "no sin is considered greater than another".

The same philosophy should hold true for the Bill of Rights.
42 posted on 12/15/2004 11:28:46 AM PST by hushpad
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To: RayStacy

It was passed with the condition that a Bill of Rights be attached.


43 posted on 12/15/2004 11:29:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

The ACLU seems to think that only by abolishing all religious symbols will fulfill that but it is just the opposite. It doesn't fulfill the clause but denys it.<<

Can the ACLU be sued for violating the rights of the people? I think they should be sued - class action perhaps.


44 posted on 12/15/2004 11:30:02 AM PST by hushpad
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To: alchemist54

Excellent!


45 posted on 12/15/2004 11:31:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: RayStacy
I am NOT endorsing this argument, just wondering about it

Understood.

with no bor, I can see a free speech case or a newspaper case coming up back in the day when the lib sub-human filth buckets cared.. So there'd be a Supreme Court case where the libs and the good people were on the same side.

The entire premise of a socialistic government depends on a government capable of implementing it. So liberals would have had to choose between keeping enumeration, completely losing socialism but keeping some of the rights they hold dear, or abandoning enumeration thereby keeping socialism and losing some rights. They'd have chosen the latter, using the powers of the democratic majority to grant the rights they like as priviledges. They'd have NEVER agreed to fight for enumeration, because it would have meant choosing a role of government completely alien to their core beliefs.

The ENUMERATION would be the solution for THOUSANDS of cases.

And it would have been, as it was meant to be. But only so long as it stood. One "interstate commerce clause" decision later, it would have been history and along with it everything within the BoR would have been gone instantly, instead of over a period of decades.

46 posted on 12/15/2004 11:32:55 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Most people (especially Conservatives, [who ought to know better!]), seem to think that the Bill Of Rights gives them rights.

It actually protects rights (ie, to bear arms) that are presumed, correctly, to have already existed before the BOR.

47 posted on 12/15/2004 11:33:14 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: ctdonath2

You nailed it again.


48 posted on 12/15/2004 11:33:55 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: JustAnotherOkie

While I agree that there is a lot of problems with activist courts, a good deal of the problem comes about as a result of the 14th and 15th amendments, which basically federalize states rights.


49 posted on 12/15/2004 11:41:00 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: hushpad
People are getting angrier and angrier at the ACLU. The problem is the judges...

Roe vs Wade is another example of judges thinking wrong. Since when does freedom give you the right to kill a baby in its most protected stage? There were laws against this and likely in every state at one time. Where did we go wrong? When we put freedom at a higher price than life! Remember that Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness can only occur in that order.

50 posted on 12/15/2004 11:47:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: RayStacy
This article is nonsense.

Preamble to the BOR:

The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.

51 posted on 12/15/2004 11:52:21 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: RayStacy
"Where are our rites?"

Over at Masonic Hall.

52 posted on 12/15/2004 11:56:15 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky

Don't tell me it's nonsense. Tell Madison, Hamilton, and Wilson.


53 posted on 12/15/2004 12:05:28 PM PST by RayStacy
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To: Rytwyng
And the list of enumerated rights is not exhaustive.
54 posted on 12/15/2004 12:12:58 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RayStacy

Yes, but just imagine a 9th Circuit court without it...


55 posted on 12/15/2004 12:18:36 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Sacajaweau

People are getting angrier and angrier at the ACLU. The problem is the judges...<<<

Since being angry at the ACLU is not going to cure this country of their terrorism, perhaps we should look into impeaching those judges that legislate from the bench.

Judges get away with this because, well, they can! We the People must end this tyranny, the quicker the better.

IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!


56 posted on 12/15/2004 12:28:55 PM PST by hushpad
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To: RayStacy
Once the Constitution has been rendered toilet paper by a Scatological Supreme Court.. any further discussion of it is, well, "soiled" lets say... A Free Republic restart is the only way to right any discussion of "rights".. because any rights have become mere privileges.. like in ALL democracys.. no democracy that ever existed had any "rights"... just a few enumerated privileges... Inalienable rights can only be abolished by a democracy or some other example of MOB RULE lead by mobsters all mobbed up..
57 posted on 12/15/2004 12:41:09 PM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: RayStacy

"[The objection has been raised that] experience proves the inefficacy of a bill of rights. [This is] true. But though it is not absolutely efficacious under all circumstances, it is of great potency always, and rarely inefficacious. A brace the more will often keep up the building which would have fallen with that brace the less. There is a remarkable difference between the characters of the inconveniences which attend a Declaration of Rights, and those which attend the want of it. The inconveniences of the Declaration are that it may cramp government in its useful exertions. But the evil of this is short-lived, trivial and reparable. The inconveniences of the want of a Declaration are permanent, afflicting and irreparable. They are in constant progression from bad to worse." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789.


58 posted on 12/15/2004 1:34:43 PM PST by rwfok
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To: Sacajaweau

Exactly, as long as the state does not establish a religion it is ok. USA is not a religion state but a state with people who are religious. They are free to express it but not force it upon others.


59 posted on 12/15/2004 2:06:10 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: RayStacy

I basically strongly disagree.

The contortions and distortions that have occurred have happened for two reasons:

The interstate commerce clause and
the general welfare clause


60 posted on 12/15/2004 2:11:15 PM PST by djf
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