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Victor Davis Hanson: Gay Old Times? Oliver Stone perpetuates a classical myth
National Review ^ | December 15, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/15/2004 8:43:59 AM PST by quidnunc

The consensus about Oliver Stone's Alexander is that the film's splashy gay motifs could not overcome the stilted dialogue, ludicrous Irish-brogue and Count Dracula accents, and excruciating minutes of dead screen time devoted to model-like poses, secretive eye contact, and soap-opera double entendres. Stone's apparent hope was that he could garner media hype by overt homosexual scenes of kissing and hugging, and by candor about same-sex relations: The world's first global conqueror was really more a sensitive and feminine creature of the bedroom and banquet hall than a great captain of blood and iron.

In reality, the movie proved not so much scandalous as boring. The problem with Stone's lurid sexual narrative is not his historical inaccuracies, but the movie's obsession with sexual intrigue, which causes much of Alexander's amazing story to be lost. The controversies that emerge from the extant historians of Alexander — Arrian, Curtius, Diodorus, and Plutarch — do not hinge on sex. Rather, the "good" and "bad" ancient and modern traditions of Alexander involve a number of far more fascinating issues — nearly all of them omitted by Stone.

Alexander helped to kill more Greeks at the victory of Chaeronea, the siege of Thebes, the campaigns in Ionia, and the battles of Granicus and Issus than the Persians killed in a century and a half of EastñWest conflict. The razing of Thebes — the dramatic setting of much of Athenian tragedy, home to Pythagoreans and Pindar — is ignored. The brutal siege of Tyre was considered a military masterpiece; it and the storming of Gaza go unnoticed. How or why Persepolis was torched is never really investigated, but has framed centuries of debate. …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: alexander; greece; macedonia; moviereview; myth; oliverstone; vdh; victordavishanson
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To: Cincinatus
BTW do you like Gladiator movies?

I do. You ever been in a Turkish prison?

No I haven't.

Not that there's anyting wrong it.

21 posted on 12/15/2004 10:59:51 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: quidnunc
What really amazes me about all this is that those Greek relationships were clearly unequal, likely abusive, possibly coerced, and were basically older men using their status to take advantage of boys -- yet many modern gays seem to look at all of this an interpret it as a healthy and accepted form of homosexuality. Uh, no. It's abuse and would be abuse if those those older men were treating young women like that (and I'm sure that happened, too).
22 posted on 12/15/2004 11:04:23 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Tolik; quidnunc
VDH gives Stone the b!tch slapping he deserves.

One wonders how many peoples views of real historical events have been skewed by Oliver the Great?

23 posted on 12/15/2004 11:07:24 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Cincinatus; Semper Paratus

No, but I sure picked a bad day to stop...


24 posted on 12/15/2004 11:15:48 AM PST by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: Semper Paratus

Ever seen a grown man naked, Timmy?

Hey, you're Kareem Abdul Jabbar!


25 posted on 12/15/2004 11:22:43 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: jjmcgo
Hey, you're Kareem Abdul Jabbar!

Roger, Rodger.

26 posted on 12/15/2004 11:25:57 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Question_Assumptions

And all those young men (at least those of high status) grew up and did exactly the same thing to another generation of young boys.

This was expected and admired behavior at the time. For me it ties right in with the eager acceptance and promotion of slavery, the gladiatorial games and other aspects of classical life that I just can't comprehend.

For instance, by my standards they had very odd attitudes with regard to the honorability of work and trade.


27 posted on 12/15/2004 11:35:33 AM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: Cincinatus
You LIE.

How the hell does that DiCaprio woman keep landing male roles?
28 posted on 12/15/2004 11:37:20 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Semper Paratus; jjmcgo

What's the vector, Victor? Do we have clearance, Clarence?


29 posted on 12/15/2004 11:38:21 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

It must be true -- I found it on the internet!


30 posted on 12/15/2004 11:43:32 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: quidnunc

as always, thanks for the VDH ping


31 posted on 12/15/2004 11:44:56 AM PST by King Prout (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: Xenalyte
What's the vector, Victor? Do we have clearance, Clarence?

Have to go. Making fish for dinner.

32 posted on 12/15/2004 11:45:10 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

This is the Grassy Knoll version of history again from Mr. Stone.


33 posted on 12/15/2004 11:49:05 AM PST by Patrick1
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To: Xenalyte; Semper Paratus; jjmcgo
Airplane! riffs can break out anywhere, like a brush fire.
34 posted on 12/15/2004 11:53:20 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: quidnunc

I get the feeling "Alexander" is going to become a midnight-showing cult-classic in the Village.

What do they call those short leather skirts?


35 posted on 12/15/2004 12:01:27 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Free Speech is a Right. Being Wrong is Just Wrong.)
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To: quidnunc

Oliver The Stoned.


36 posted on 12/15/2004 12:14:11 PM PST by onedoug
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To: brooklyn dave

Ha Ha, and the actress playing his Mom sounds like a recent immigrant from some "stan" from the former Soviet Union!


37 posted on 12/15/2004 12:48:20 PM PST by Tensgrrl
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To: karnage

Isn't it time somebody made a movie about Stone?


38 posted on 12/15/2004 12:50:23 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: Restorer
For instance, by my standards they had very odd attitudes with regard to the honorability of work and trade.

Actually, their attitudes are probably more "normal" than our attitudes. The way a culture views those things actually plays a fairly significant role in how well they do certain things. Thomas Sowell goes into it in some detail in his book Race and Culture.

39 posted on 12/15/2004 1:52:06 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

That work and commerce are honorable endeavors when honest are indeed pretty unusual and therefore abnormal points of view from a historical viewpoint. But I'll stick with them anyway.

I've read Tom's book. As usual, excellent.


40 posted on 12/15/2004 2:02:06 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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