Posted on 12/14/2004 8:40:19 AM PST by Apolitical
Part of the hard work of civilization is teaching young to be able to distinguish between the good and the bad in all aspects of life. If we teach our young children to obey the 10 Commandments and to obey the laws of the land, but don't teach them to realize that Johann Sebastian Bach is superior to Dimebag Abbott, we have failed as parents and mentors. If a person has gone through 12 or 13 years of education and has not developed an appreciation for the greatest artistic achievements of mankind, that education has been an utter failure.
While laissez-faire is the correct approach to economics it has no place in the realm of aesthetics or morality. A confidant civilization imposes its morality and aesthetics on it young people. Yes, you heard it right. We impose. The Rousseauian noble savage is a myth. Left unchecked and untutored the savage will never attain nobility......
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Believe me. I wouldn't mind slapping around some of these posters for the horrible things they have said.
I like Savatage but am not too familiar with all of their work. I have "Hall of the Mountain King" on cassette and would like to get more of their catalog.
Wow...I'm so sorry.
I don't have all of their albums but I have quite a few. Not all of their albums sound the same and I like some more than others. I do really like Hall of the Mountain King and it's probably my favorite. I don't think there is a bad or boring song on that album. I really like The Wake of Magellan, mentioned earlier, too, and recommend it as well. I'd suggest listening to the samples on Amazon, iTunes, or another online music store for the other albums to get a sense of what they are like.
Thank heavens, Chad - accord at last. Native American Flute music! Peace! When I practice, my neighbors love it.
My taste in music is based on formative training and a conservative nervous system.
Muscial taste should not be socio-politicized as the snide author of the subject article seemed to do.
Nakai forever.
If your ladder of love ends with the sublime Mozart and you draw comparisons to Beethoven then, naturally, I would assume that you are talking about classical music. You make a statement about the emotional range of Mozart but back up nothing, as if Mozart by virtue of being Mozart should be reason enough to convince anyone. You are buying into cliches. What you attribute to me as levelling is nothing but your unquestionable belief that these towering musicians are truly untouchable. That nothing within the pop or rock world will ever match their genius. This is the absurd form of snobbish elitism that people usually associate with classical music. You are like those society snobs in Marx Brothers "A Night at the Opera," even though you believe classical music doesn't exist.
I don't know what world you're living on, but on the planet earth there is such a thing as classical music It's ironic, that one minute you acknowledge classical music and point to examples of Falstaff and the Magic Flute and the next you are denying its existence. You've already admitted that you have contradicted yourself in the previous post, so I'm not terribly surprised when it happens again. Please, try making up your mind.
Initially you said, "At root, you seem to believe that all "cultures" are equal-- they are not." Not being equal implies a certain of rank and order to music. So far you are making the case that not only is Dimebag Darrell inferior to Mozart but the whole of rock culture is inferior, that it is "moronic and stupid," that John Lennon could never be a Beethoven. But this is precisely what I'm asking you to "prove." Whether it be the Indian culture opposed to the European culture, or rock music opposed to classical music, what proof do you have that they are not equal, that one is inferior or superior to the other? By stating that there is no such thing as classical music you are bypassing your own remarks and skirting the whole issue. God forbid, next you'll being saying there is no such thing as rock music! I'm sure you'll be a hit at those dinner parties!
Probably into book burning also.
You like Nakai? R. Carlos rules!
SynthacousticpunkarachiNavajazz!!!!!
Not just "like", I play along with Nakai (via CD) so in my own way, he's in my band or vice versa.
Also, Bill Miller & the most perfect voice of Joanne Shenandoah. Playing "duet" (via CD)with Joanne is too much. She sings alla cappella in PERFECT pitch, immaculate tone and articulation, et al, etc. (Wooden flutes' "perfect pitch" depends on the temperature - cold plays flat, hot plays sharp.)
Nakai forever.
Merry Christmas, Chad.
from *gichi'ayaai*
Not just "like", I play along with Nakai (via CD) so in my own way, he's in my band or vice versa.
Also, Bill Miller & the most perfect voice of Joanne Shenandoah. Playing "duet" (via CD)with Joanne is too much. She sings alla cappella in PERFECT pitch, immaculate tone and articulation, et al, etc. (Wooden flutes' "perfect pitch" depends on the temperature - cold plays flat, hot plays sharp.)
Nakai forever.
Merry Christmas, Chad.
from *gichi'ayaai*
Addressed to another, "So far you are making the case that not only is Dimebag Darrell inferior to Mozart but the whole of rock culture is inferior..."
I have quite a wide range of appreciation and preferences in music styles, genres, etc., including truly authentic Blues (w/acoustic guitar), New Orleans Jazz, Beatles, Baroque, et al. But, the only aspect where Hard Metal Rock is superior to all other musical styles/genres is its harsh cacaphony. A marching band made up of a hundred out-of-tune Bagpipe drones is sweeter and more inspiring, and less terrifying than Hard Rock...stampeding Camels and Crows...and other sensitive animals.
It's plain UGLY racketity riffs - not really music. Just my opinion...in preservation of my nervous system.
Thank God for free speech and tolerance...and Bach.
Merry Christmas...Happy Mannheim Steamroller too!
"Your right that Metal is very harsh to the ears, and so is some modern expressionist classical music (Schonenberg, Berg,Webern)..." (I don't how to get that italic quote!)
Most modern atonal classical music is just as harsh as Heavy Metal Rock, and it's very boring too. I don't mind playing some of it in short ensemble works - striving for the ultimate dissonant resolve. However, into the ears of this beholder it's plain painfully awful to listen to it.
Schoenberg explored an interesting tonal/compositional theory,though.
Yeah, formative conditioning and exposure are factors. There are studies on the influence of music upon physiological systems and cognizance as well as psychological indicators. For instance, studies affirm the positive therapeutic effects of Native American drumming and Gregorian chants. Also, studies show that there is significant mental enhancement and ability to concentrate among children who are brought up listening to Mozart.
"But dissonance is in some ways relative to culture. For example, what we take as light jazz would have been harsh to Bach's ears."
What makes Bach profound is that he resolved dissonance (mordance) to a profound conclusion. Some of his fugues really do reach far into dissonance before they resolve. Mozart's string quartet has pronounced dissonance. Dissonance without resolve bespeaks of chronic dischord.
Thank heavens for the freedom of choice in listening to music.
Merry Christ Mass...
Happy Holidays to you too.
"Metal is in many ways barbaric, yes, and a tad evil or whatnot. But that does not make the people who play, compose, or listen to the music any of these."
So, why is Metal somewhat "barbaric...a tad evil..."?
"The true greatness of metal, is that it takes some effort to find the expertise, the beauty of it."
I'd say it's an endless if not futile quest to undertake finding beauty in "Metal"! Like finding 2+2=5!
"The experise" - establishing commercial appeal and fan base.
"Classical music is all fine and well. But the intellectual side of it, the musical side, is right in your face."
But, intellectual enlightenment and musical aethetism is not supposed to be a violent slap on the face - a force hard enough to cause permanent deafness and mental dysfunction.
Music is Logic in resonant form.
"Metal" blasts a false premise: one that is somewhat "barbaric"...a "tad evil."
All perceptions and insight relate to psyche.
ROTFLMAO! That was the first thing I thought about also!
"Believe me. I wouldn't mind slapping around some of these posters for the horrible things they have said."
There is a very sound reason to why the U.S. military chose to play tapes of Heavy Metal to torture captive terrorists.
"If you were brought up on rock, hate metal but like riff laden 70s hard rock check out "Atomic Bitchwax" -- the first album. Absolutely awesome!"
Listen, I love Rod Stewart's latest - crooning old ballads I did grow up with in another wartime, like "As Time Goes By". Stewart's duet with Queen LaTeesha (sp?) is too much! I'll check out "Atomic Bitchwax" - the first album. But, I have to tell ya I wasn't brought up on any rock.
In jazz, riffs are transitional breaks.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday Season
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