Posted on 12/14/2004 8:40:19 AM PST by Apolitical
Part of the hard work of civilization is teaching young to be able to distinguish between the good and the bad in all aspects of life. If we teach our young children to obey the 10 Commandments and to obey the laws of the land, but don't teach them to realize that Johann Sebastian Bach is superior to Dimebag Abbott, we have failed as parents and mentors. If a person has gone through 12 or 13 years of education and has not developed an appreciation for the greatest artistic achievements of mankind, that education has been an utter failure.
While laissez-faire is the correct approach to economics it has no place in the realm of aesthetics or morality. A confidant civilization imposes its morality and aesthetics on it young people. Yes, you heard it right. We impose. The Rousseauian noble savage is a myth. Left unchecked and untutored the savage will never attain nobility......
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You are a nimrod.
Took the words right out of my mouth, t. I cannot believe the hateful, narrow-minded views expressed in regard to this mans tragic death.
The Apollonian vs Dionysian distinction is from Nietzsche's The Birth of Tragedy. You are somewhat right in describing it. They are opposite drives in man. Apollo is associated with order, dreaming, beauty, and individuality, whereas Dionysus is associated with chaos, intoxication, sex, cruelty and oblivion. Both are a part of nature: natural drives in man which, believe it or not, compliment each other. Each serves a purpose.
I didn't know you were into music production and scoring for film. I do similar work!
I wonder if this nutbar ever read an unsanitized biography of Tchiakovsky.
-Eric
Yes, that would explain A LOT. He, might've passed them on to Salomon, too, if thats true.
"Many conservatives do themselves a serious disservice by judging others they assume are not like them."
Yep, and if you read Damageplan's lyrics you'll get an idea of how they feel about this snobbish attitude.
Strange, you write off this rock culture as "puerile, monotonous, ridiculous, childish, posturing, limited and, above all, silly" and then proceed to say that you catch a show and drink too much beer and have a great time with some Texas rockers. On one hand you denounce rock culture and on the other hand you are reveling in it. You mentioned that you liked AC/CD, but aren't they just as puerile, monotonous, ridiculous, childish, posturing, limited and, above all, silly... as Pantera. If you are a man of taste: "a man who has enough experience and wisdom, and above all, the sheer confidence to assert them," why are you listening to AC/DC? Are you telling us that AC/DC is tasteful music, that it is the "outward expression of an interior cultivation"?
It seems that your tastes vacillate between the highs and the lows, between the gutter and the stars (or at least between Verdi and AC/DC). But is rock culture as vulgar and moronic as you suggest in your comparison of Pantera and Verdi? Personally, I don't think so. I think you are buying into stereotypes if you suggest this.
TSO's "Christmas Eve (Sarajevo 12/24) is simply stunning.
Heck, even my mom likes it.
How are Mozart and Beethoven or for that matter classical music qualitatively better than rock music? Both musical forms address the highs and lows of man, both have keen insight and perception into the nature of man, especially on the universal topic of love (this is where Lennon was brilliant with the early Beatle music), both are evolving and are pushing the bounds of their creativity. Classical music is technically more demanding and requires education to gain a full appreciation of its listening experience but does that make it qualitatively better? Name me one area of the human soul that classical music has covered that rock music doesn't cover! What are these cultural gems, these rarified nuggets dug out the human soul by classical music that make rock music look like the poor lost cousin? To be honest, classical music owes a great debt of gratitude to folk music. In many instances it was from folk music that classical musicians stole their ideas and melodies. In fact, classical music has gone to the common well many times and this is especially true in our times. At the turn of the 20th Century classical music borrowed heavily from jazz and African music (Gershwin and Stravinsky) and today the minimalist movement is looking to some of the forms of pop music. Rock does the same thing and it will breed with any musical form it can get its hands around. There are all kinds of hybrid forms with rock music (country rock, progressive rock, blues rock, etc.). Though classical music prides itself on its sophistication and complexity, that in itself is not enough to ensure quality, for many complex pieces of music end up being entirely meaningless or dull. There are good and memorable works in classical music as there are with any other type of music. But to say that the whole form is qualitatively better... really begs the question.
For all the seriousness and high mindedness extended to classical music (high art, snobbishness, real music, etc.), I think that it is no better or worse than rock music. I asked you if you thought that the Indian music was better or worse than European music and you chose European music because you are European, not because you could prove one superior to the other. The same holds true for classical and rock music -- they are different and yet share a lot in common -- and we choose what we want to hear when the mood strikes.
You listen to your Pat Boone, I'll listen to my Pantera. If you think that that makes me a bad conservative, then you and this jackhole can cram it with walnuts.
"So, are you saying it's ok to be inconsiderate of one's neighbors, as long as they do it in a manner in which YOU find "profound"? Ok, as long as I know where you stand."
Yeah, sorta...it ain't "inconsiderate" if its "profound." It's really not "where" but WHAT I can stand - purely personal choice. The article's snotty attitude aside, I would not raise my children or raze my home on hard metal rock. As I said, ears are the portal to the mind.
The essential is to be FREE to listen to whatever music we choose. I don't want to be censored (by the ACLU, et al) for playing Bach's "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring."
Merry Christmas, from Purpleland (ref:WH Hudson's novel)
I too am a metal fan and a conservative. Pantera was an awesome band. Much better then some of the lame crap there is today.
Well, purpleland, I wouldn't want to censor you, or keep you from listening to "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring", just as I would not expect anyone to censor me and not let me listen to Damageplan when the mood strikes me.
What it all boils down to is that music ias, above all else, a matter of personal taste, and that's really it in a nutshell.
I don't play my music at a volume level that my neighbors can hear it, and I expect the same in return. Just like I don't rake my leaves into a pile, and burn them, letting the smoke go into my neighbor's windows... I may be one of those purile, moronic, juvenile, childish metalheads (except when I'm listening to Navajo Flute music or some great classical pieces), but I am still a decent, considerate person, whether some people who claim the "I'm a true conservative, and you all suck" agree or not.
Dimebag has always been metal.
And for that matter, so have Malmsteen, Vai, and Satriani by most people's definition.
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