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AESTHETICS OF HATE: R.I.P. DIMEBAG ABBOTT, AND GOOD RIDDANCE -- Time For Conservative Imagination!
ICONOCLAST ^ | by William Grim

Posted on 12/14/2004 8:40:19 AM PST by Apolitical

Part of the hard work of civilization is teaching young to be able to distinguish between the good and the bad in all aspects of life. If we teach our young children to obey the 10 Commandments and to obey the laws of the land, but don't teach them to realize that Johann Sebastian Bach is superior to Dimebag Abbott, we have failed as parents and mentors. If a person has gone through 12 or 13 years of education and has not developed an appreciation for the greatest artistic achievements of mankind, that education has been an utter failure.

While laissez-faire is the correct approach to economics it has no place in the realm of aesthetics or morality. A confidant civilization imposes its morality and aesthetics on it young people. Yes, you heard it right. We impose. The Rousseauian noble savage is a myth. Left unchecked and untutored the savage will never attain nobility......

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: dimebagdarrell; headbanger; pantera; shooting
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To: NurdlyPeon
ad hominem

261 posted on 12/14/2004 1:25:04 PM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Apolitical

It's like debating vegeterianism with cannibals. Oh, well...


262 posted on 12/14/2004 1:25:43 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: antoninartaud
My point was that some people who listen to metal are different than you think. You are a snob though, so probably won't be able to acknowledge that. You think you know everything about someone by what kind of music they listen to. Music does not equal culture. You may think you are smart but you are not smart enough to understand all of the many types of people in the world.
263 posted on 12/14/2004 1:31:33 PM PST by monday
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To: RockinRight
Dimebag was certainly one of the best metal guitarists of modern times.

For whatever THAT is worth. Personally, I'd much rather listen to a garden rake being dragged across a school chalkboard before listening to high level noise distortion. But that's just me.

Probably agreeing with me, however, might be REAL accomplished guitarists with some melodic insight of sorts such as, Alan Holdsworth, Neil Schon, Trevor Rabin, Robin Ford, Joe Satriani, Stevie Vai, Ingwee Malmsteen, Steve Lukather, Larry Carlton, Lee Ritnauer...just to name a few.

264 posted on 12/14/2004 1:56:36 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: SlightOfTongue

I do like a lot of those guitarists. Have you listened to Dimebag's playing on "Cemetary Gates?"

It's phenomenal.


265 posted on 12/14/2004 2:05:05 PM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Whoops, I see that now....that's what I get for quick scan, hit and run freepin'. ;>)


Ungggg....
m-u-s-t
s-l-o-w
d-o-w-n

/jasper

267 posted on 12/14/2004 2:16:38 PM PST by Jasper ("Power flows from the barrel of a 10mm pistol.")
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To: monday
You seem to think the term "bible thumper" is simply made up with no basis in fact?

No. Just in the hate-filled emptiness of narrow minds.

268 posted on 12/14/2004 2:26:15 PM PST by Skooz (The "holiday" has a name.)
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To: US admirer

Wow. What a bizarre and disturbed post.

Get help.


269 posted on 12/14/2004 2:27:03 PM PST by Skooz (The "holiday" has a name.)
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To: RockinRight
I do like a lot of those guitarists. Have you listened to Dimebag's playing on "Cemetary Gates?" It's phenomenal.

I will certainly check it out, if the opportunity arises.

BTW, I didn't intend to demean Dimebag's talents, per se, just my general opinion of metal, that's all.

270 posted on 12/14/2004 2:34:11 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Another ugly cultural elitist, attempting to control what is, and what is not, "true conservativism".

Yup. And evidenced by some of these replies, some people don't get it along with him.

Don't like metal? Fine. But don't tell me it's not a valid music genre.

271 posted on 12/14/2004 2:51:41 PM PST by Hawkeye's Girl (who's listening to Metallica's SKOM right now)
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To: SlightOfTongue

Hhmm...Dimebag at one point was praised by Satriani, Vai, and Malmsteen.


272 posted on 12/14/2004 2:51:53 PM PST by MahaMarty (This'll probably get me suspended...AGAIN!)
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To: MahaMarty

Stop trying to insert factual arguments into the discussion. Geez. ;0)


273 posted on 12/14/2004 2:54:51 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Hawkeye's Girl

Agreed.


274 posted on 12/14/2004 2:55:10 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

I've come to the conclusion that detractors of the metal genre are cut from the same cloth as those who were "shocked" by Elvis and "offended" by the Beatles.

Small minded folk, all of them.


275 posted on 12/14/2004 3:00:39 PM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: MahaMarty
Hhmm...Dimebag at one point was praised by Satriani, Vai, and Malmsteen

Very interesting, to say the least. Do you have copy of that claim?

The phrase 'at one point' implies that at certain time in his musical past he had been recognized as having some formidable skills and/or chops.

I don't know Dimebag's musical history, but it would seem this praise by these upper echelon guitarists would've come at an earlier time in his career. Maybe in a 'pre-metal' venue?

276 posted on 12/14/2004 3:21:41 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: Apolitical
You oughta send this thread to the author of the piece to show 'im the superiority of the philistinism over the elitist high culture. That'll learn 'im! (And he could compose a whole another piece out of the highly learned quotes here.)
277 posted on 12/14/2004 3:34:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Apolitical
"Wise words from Iconoclast's resident cultural maven"

more like resident cultural blowhard

what a pompus POS !
278 posted on 12/14/2004 3:38:12 PM PST by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: Apolitical

The author of this piece sounds like an elitist ass. He is grave dancing whilst trying to convey his cultural superiority.


279 posted on 12/14/2004 3:40:31 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: NurdlyPeon

Look whether or not Cocaine would enhance sports performance is clearly up for debate. I don't think you can say with a straight face that it does. It might. It might also blow up your heart or leave you with heart palpitations.

My point was despite being educated and knowledgable of the elitist things in life, I need to get primal sometimes. I can't stand playing a pickup basketball game or coaching Pee Wee baseball and losing. Hard Rock does it for me.


280 posted on 12/14/2004 4:52:45 PM PST by techworker
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