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Congress bans lighters from airliners
Seattle PI ^ | Dec 8, 2004 | Leslie Miller

Posted on 12/08/2004 2:40:01 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Passengers already are barred from smoking on commercial flights. Now they won't be allowed to bring their butane lighters on board either.

As part of the intelligence reform bill passed Wednesday, Congress added the lighters to the long list of banned items, including scissors, pen knives and box cutters.

Democratic Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota had pushed for the change for more than a year after learning the Transportation Security Administration allowed them on planes.

"When I found out that they had explicitly, in their rule, said you could take two butane lighters and four books of matches on board, I thought, 'What have they been drinking?'" Dorgan said. Matches still are allowed.

Dorgan cited FBI reports that would-be "shoe-bomber" Richard Reid would have been able to ignite his explosive and blow up a trans-Atlantic jetliner three years ago if he'd brought a butane lighter with him.

Wyden and Dorgan were so persistent in their campaign against the incendiary devices that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., joked earlier this year that he never thought butane lighters would get so much attention.

"This is probably not the biggest thing in the world," Dorgan said. "But it's one of those areas where a big government agency couldn't develop a little bit of common sense about something so obvious."

The ban takes effect 60 days after President Bush signs the intelligence reform bill into law.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; intel8reform; intelligencereform; tsa
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To: AdamSelene235

Okay, you really have no problems with allowing guns on airplanes?


81 posted on 12/08/2004 3:20:13 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: dalereed
Anger had nothing to do with it and the statement stands.

Uh, not any more it doesn't. Looks like the mods took care of it.

82 posted on 12/08/2004 3:20:19 PM PST by asgardshill ("We march by day and read Xenophon by night.")
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To: texasborn1960
Remind me to never piss you off. LOL j/k

I know it doesn't ensure complete safety, but it does minimize risk.

83 posted on 12/08/2004 3:21:30 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: texasborn1960
You could take a laptop on board and use simple wires and the battery to ignite something if you had to.

Steel wool mixed with dryer lint touched with a 9 volt works great.

84 posted on 12/08/2004 3:21:41 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

This is ridiculous.

As far as endangering someone on the plane. TSA has never once caught on that the key chain I have is probably the sharpest knife I own. I don't intentionally take a knife on board, but I usually don't even think about the keychain being a knife.

If you don't smoke, you will never understand.

I do understand that when I get off of a plane after an uncomfortable flight, I want a cigarette. Personally, I think this rule will just cause unstable cigarette smokers to become more crabby. And that can be a bad thing....

What happens when the terrorist brings a decent match on board?


85 posted on 12/08/2004 3:21:49 PM PST by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: texasborn1960
You could take a laptop on board and use simple wires and the battery to ignite something if you had to.

I was thinking a 9 volt battery and some of that nichrome ignition wire like they use for model rockets. It gets hot fast, long enough to light a smoke.

86 posted on 12/08/2004 3:22:02 PM PST by asgardshill ("We march by day and read Xenophon by night.")
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Okay, you really have no problems with allowing guns on airplanes

I worn a pistol plenty of times on small aircraft.

87 posted on 12/08/2004 3:22:22 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: abner
Personally, I think this rule will just cause unstable cigarette smokers to become more crabby.

Oh come on. You all couldn't get any crabbier, or touchier! LOL : )

88 posted on 12/08/2004 3:23:17 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: AdamSelene235

And thank God you're not the kind of guy that would use it for ill purposes. Not everyone out there is as sane and sensible as you.


89 posted on 12/08/2004 3:24:07 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Glenn
"The ban takes effect 60 days after President Bush signs the intelligence reform bill into law."

How many more thousands upon thousands of illegal scumbag aliens will have broken into our nation in the same time period, Presidente Gorge? How many of them will be carrying things much, much more deadly than a freakin' lighter...like weapons, drugs, bombs, tuberculosis, etc?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

90 posted on 12/08/2004 3:24:59 PM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Well, in an Cessna 182, there aren't exactly a great deal of people to get in a fight with.


91 posted on 12/08/2004 3:25:02 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Oh come on. You all couldn't get any crabbier, or touchier! LOL : )

That's right. It's obvious you aren't addicted to the darned things.

Don't take away my cigarettes, power, computer or my ability to shower and everything will be just fine. ;-)

92 posted on 12/08/2004 3:26:24 PM PST by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

"what possible need could you have for one during the flight?"

For those smokers who like to enjoy a stogie between those long cattle type flights from NY to DFW to LAX. I guess the match industry lobbied for this....sarcasm.

Why don't they try banning suspicious foreginers? Or should I just get my thoughts back in the box?


93 posted on 12/08/2004 3:26:36 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: AdamSelene235

Now imagine me in a trans-Atlantic flight with a kid screaming and hitting the back of my seat all the way. If you're the parent of that kid, do you REALLY want me carrying my Glock? LOL


94 posted on 12/08/2004 3:26:41 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: AdamSelene235
Hi AdamSelene235-

"...Could you possibly stop inflicting your bizzare internal fantasies on the rest of us?..."


I've read posts by Bluegrass Conservative on a few other threads and he/she enjoys being contrarian ad nauseam, regardless of the topic. If you really want to question his/her sincerity to conservative causes, check out the thread about National ID cards and you'll gain additional insights. Don't let him/her get under your skin.

~ Blue Jays ~

95 posted on 12/08/2004 3:26:50 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Maybe so they could smoke when they arrived at their destination!!! Why else?


96 posted on 12/08/2004 3:26:56 PM PST by Mears
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Now imagine me in a trans-Atlantic flight with a kid screaming and hitting the back of my seat all the way. If you're the parent of that kid, do you REALLY want me carrying my Glock? LOL

Have you no sense of adventure?

97 posted on 12/08/2004 3:27:28 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: abner

Get a patch! : )


98 posted on 12/08/2004 3:28:33 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
My friend's wife had no problem taking her plastic knitting needles on to the plane. Is there a method to their madness?
99 posted on 12/08/2004 3:28:37 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Get a patch! : )

I'm just telling you, you will never understand.

100 posted on 12/08/2004 3:30:12 PM PST by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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