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1 posted on 12/07/2004 7:06:29 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
If I read the book it would just confirm what I already know.
I lived with a Muslim for a three years. My discussions with him regarding Islam highlight most of the things that was mentioned above.
What is going on is there is two Islams. One that belongs to the poor and one that belongs to the rest.
The poor Muslims invest their allegiance into religion and religious leaders.
The other Muslims are the religious leaders and educated that invest theire allegiance to themselves.
It just so happens that the poor Muslims are used to gain power and topple governments.
2 posted on 12/07/2004 7:24:01 AM PST by t-1000
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To: veronica

I've read the book. He does an excellent job of showing that moderate Islam just can't win over militant Islam. A good read.


3 posted on 12/07/2004 7:24:08 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: veronica

"religion or Peace" or "Religion of Blowing Unbelievers to Pieces"?


4 posted on 12/07/2004 7:37:37 AM PST by MarxSux
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To: veronica
We have southerners who are still bitter about the Confederate Yankees. Jews who are still boycotting any and all German products, and so on. The fact is some minority of people appear to want to keep dragging the past instead of living in today's life. The difference is in our country we make fun of people who drag the past, and our media/churches never glorify hate and bitterness over the past; on the other hand, the Arab Muslim media/politicians/mosques all working overtime dragging the past.

My theory is the dictators in charge of the Muslim world cannot explain to their people why they live in poverty, and they are so far behind the West. So, instead of saying because we are backward barbarians, they blame the great successes of the West on the promiscuity/godlessness of the West?

5 posted on 12/07/2004 7:46:24 AM PST by conservlib
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To: veronica; jan in Colorado
Excellent book.... insightful and shows Islam for what it is... a dangerous intolerant antisemitic ideology that promotes gender and religious apartheid that is resistant to any change or innovation (bidah).
6 posted on 12/07/2004 8:03:16 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: veronica
Two thoughts on The Religion Of Peace


7 posted on 12/07/2004 8:04:54 AM PST by Tuba Guy
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To: veronica; All
I am so deadly serious:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:


10 posted on 12/07/2004 11:32:38 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: veronica

Islam is the religion of "peace" through conquest. Peace, in Islam, only exists when one is muslim. This is a strong deception and many are captive to it. We cannot have any other opinion. Islam cannot be contained. It must be exposed. These are the Pharisees of our time.


13 posted on 12/09/2004 2:35:45 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: Gregory

Mr. Spencer's crazy statements are idiotic at best. He shows that he himself is witless and knows nothing of Islam. He has also profited from this. Islam

thanks God for whatever good exists, not the sword. The Holy Quran says in Chapter 2, verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way

has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows

no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing. All-Knowing. "
Anyone who says "Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…." is a liar. Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

[8:12] When thy Lord revealed to the angels, saying, 'I am with you; so make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who

disbelieve. Smite them above their necks, and smite off all finger-tips.'

[8:13] That is because they have opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger, Then Allah is surely Severe in retribution.

The Muslims were at war with the Meccans disbelievers, who had persecuted them for no other reason that that they were Muslim and believed in One God. This

state of affairs had gone on for 13 years. Two emigrations had taken place to Ethiopia by those who could not stand the persecution of Muslims in Mecca.
The Muslims were then told to emigrate to Medina, where the people were not hostile to them because of their beliefs. This emigration called the Hijra marks

the beginning of the Islamic calendar.
No conquests mark the beginning of the Islamic calendar. No. Just a simple emigration to seek peace while practicing their religion. If Islam had spread by

conquest, why didn't the Muslims fight the Medinites and force them to accept Islam? The Meccans followed the Muslims to Medina and waged war on Medina

because they harbored the Muslims. This was when God revealed to the Muslims to fight to defend themselves. They did not only defend themselves but they

defended the Medinites as well.

Again the Holy Quran says, "[8:30] And remember when the disbelievers devised plans against thee that they might put thee in confinement or slay thee or

expel thee. And they planned and Allah also planned, and Allah is the Best of planners."

The Meccans had planned to finish Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam forever. They had followed the Muslims to Medina and were determined to put an end

to them there. The defense of the Muslims is what God allowed, nothing more.

This is clear in the Quran where it says,"[8:39] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly to Allah. But if they desist, then

surely Allah is Watchful of what they do."

That was the true state of affairs when the verses were revealed. They were guidance for prophet Muhammad and the Muslims. They were revealed to guide the

Muslims in their actions during their trying times of persecution for their religion - Islam.

Spencer says "Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the

sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!"

Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 25
And give glad tidings to those who believe and do good works, that for them are gardens beneath which flow streams. Whenever they are given a portion of

fruit therefrom, they will say, 'This is what was given us before,' and gifts mutually resembling shall be brought to them. And they will have therein pure

mates, and therein will they abide.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 44
Do you enjoin others to do what is good and forget your ownselves, while you read the book? Will you not then understand?

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 57
And We caused the clouds to be a shade over you and sent down on you Manna and Salwa, saying, 'Eat of the good things We have provided for you.' And they

wronged Us not, but it was themselves that they wronged.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 58
And remember the time when We said, 'Enter this town and eat therefrom - whatever you will - plentifully; and enter the gate submissively and say, 'God!

forgive us our sins.' We shall forgive you your sins and We shall give increase to those who do good.'

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 62
Surely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians - whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and

does good deeds, shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 82
But they who believe and do good works - those are the dwellers of Heaven; therein shall they abide.

Where is the sword? Nowhere to be found!

Spencer says,"There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean

that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

Very dramatic. He is a flat out liar, however. The Holy Quran does NOT urge Muslims to value war for its own sake. Nor does the Holy Quran urge Muslims to

fight just for fighting's sake. War and fighting can be done only to defend ownself in Islam.


19 posted on 04/18/2005 3:11:34 PM PDT by ihashim
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To: Gregory

Mr. Spencer's crazy statements are idiotic at best. He shows that he himself is witless and knows nothing of Islam. He has also profited from this. Islam

thanks God for whatever good exists, not the sword. The Holy Quran says in Chapter 2, verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way

has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows

no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing. All-Knowing. "
Anyone who says "Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…." is a liar. Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

[8:12] When thy Lord revealed to the angels, saying, 'I am with you; so make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who

disbelieve. Smite them above their necks, and smite off all finger-tips.'

[8:13] That is because they have opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger, Then Allah is surely Severe in retribution.

The Muslims were at war with the Meccans disbelievers, who had persecuted them for no other reason that that they were Muslim and believed in One God. This

state of affairs had gone on for 13 years. Two emigrations had taken place to Ethiopia by those who could not stand the persecution of Muslims in Mecca.
The Muslims were then told to emigrate to Medina, where the people were not hostile to them because of their beliefs. This emigration called the Hijra marks

the beginning of the Islamic calendar.
No conquests mark the beginning of the Islamic calendar. No. Just a simple emigration to seek peace while practicing their religion. If Islam had spread by

conquest, why didn't the Muslims fight the Medinites and force them to accept Islam? The Meccans followed the Muslims to Medina and waged war on Medina

because they harbored the Muslims. This was when God revealed to the Muslims to fight to defend themselves. They did not only defend themselves but they

defended the Medinites as well.

Again the Holy Quran says, "[8:30] And remember when the disbelievers devised plans against thee that they might put thee in confinement or slay thee or

expel thee. And they planned and Allah also planned, and Allah is the Best of planners."

The Meccans had planned to finish Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam forever. They had followed the Muslims to Medina and were determined to put an end

to them there. The defense of the Muslims is what God allowed, nothing more.

This is clear in the Quran where it says,"[8:39] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly to Allah. But if they desist, then

surely Allah is Watchful of what they do."

That was the true state of affairs when the verses were revealed. They were guidance for prophet Muhammad and the Muslims. They were revealed to guide the

Muslims in their actions during their trying times of persecution for their religion - Islam.

Spencer says "Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the

sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!"

Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 25
And give glad tidings to those who believe and do good works, that for them are gardens beneath which flow streams. Whenever they are given a portion of

fruit therefrom, they will say, 'This is what was given us before,' and gifts mutually resembling shall be brought to them. And they will have therein pure

mates, and therein will they abide.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 44
Do you enjoin others to do what is good and forget your ownselves, while you read the book? Will you not then understand?

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 57
And We caused the clouds to be a shade over you and sent down on you Manna and Salwa, saying, 'Eat of the good things We have provided for you.' And they

wronged Us not, but it was themselves that they wronged.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 58
And remember the time when We said, 'Enter this town and eat therefrom - whatever you will - plentifully; and enter the gate submissively and say, 'God!

forgive us our sins.' We shall forgive you your sins and We shall give increase to those who do good.'

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 62
Surely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians - whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and

does good deeds, shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.

Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 82
But they who believe and do good works - those are the dwellers of Heaven; therein shall they abide.

Where is the sword? Nowhere to be found!

Spencer says,"There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean

that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

Very dramatic. He is a flat out liar, however. The Holy Quran does NOT urge Muslims to value war for its own sake. Nor does the Holy Quran urge Muslims to

fight just for fighting's sake. War and fighting can be done only to defend ownself in Islam.


20 posted on 04/18/2005 3:13:20 PM PDT by ihashim
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