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To: SoothingDave
You can pour a finite amount of cream into a finite mug of coffee. But you have made an irreversible change in the cosmos.

Albeit an incredibly tiny, local one... Once again, this does not justify infinite repercussions.

It's not so simple as saying that anything we do is finite. There are repurcussions.

Sure there are. But yet again, finite errors earning infinite punishment seems in no way "just".

Somehow I think God knows what He is doing.

Somehow, I see a problem with reconciling the two claims that "God is just" and "God runs an infinite torture chamber".

No one is in hell who "would have" been saved had he just lived a few years longer.

Is it really your contention that if you gave the folks in Hell another chance, they wouldn't be even one who would do what it takes to be saved? Nonsense.

Hell is for the unsaved.

Speaking of which, what kind of "just" entity tortures people for eternity for not "loving Him with all their heart"?

God is not shooting dice.

Just fish in a barrel.

207 posted on 12/06/2004 2:25:10 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Speaking of which, what kind of "just" entity tortures people for eternity for not "loving Him with all their heart"?

I think it is the other way around...We reject Him...

We are free to go with Him (love Him) or not...but as they say...

Satan is waitin.

212 posted on 12/06/2004 2:31:09 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Ichneumon
You can pour a finite amount of cream into a finite mug of coffee. But you have made an irreversible change in the cosmos.

Albeit an incredibly tiny, local one... Once again, this does not justify infinite repercussions.

You don't seem to get the point. Can you make reparations? Can you restore the cream and coffee to their original state, the way they were before your "finite" action?

No, you can't. You have introduced an irreversible change intot he world. You can not undo your actions. Your sin is not finite in any way.

It's not so simple as saying that anything we do is finite. There are repurcussions.

Sure there are. But yet again, finite errors earning infinite punishment seems in no way "just".

I said "there are repurcussions." I gave you an example. You need to contemplate this before going off again about "finite errors."

No one is in hell who "would have" been saved had he just lived a few years longer.

Is it really your contention that if you gave the folks in Hell another chance, they wouldn't be even one who would do what it takes to be saved? Nonsense.

You are mistaken both in thinking that those in Hell remain capable of choice and in thinking that those there could do something to merit a different reality.

Hell, like Heaven, is an eternal state. There is no change. And Heaven can not be earned. So the idea of those who are damned "choosing" differently ex post facto is a non-starter.

SD

214 posted on 12/06/2004 2:31:28 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Ichneumon
[There] wouldn't be even one who would do what it takes to be saved?

They were told.

225 posted on 12/06/2004 2:42:41 PM PST by derheimwill (Tagline, Schmagline)
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