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To: Alamo-Girl; Doctor Stochastic; tortoise; Physicist; PatrickHenry; marron; Matchett-PI; StJacques
In a nutshell, they observe a 13% CP violation (or difference in decay rates) between B-mesons and anti-B-mesons. They question whether this is adequate to explain the entire phenomenon. But whether it is or is not adequate, I wonder if this could be a manifestation of the fecundity principle at work from inception of space/time (i.e. a cosmic will to live)? Conversely, since this begins at the rapid expansion of space/time - whether these CP violations point to a dimensional (geometric) variation urging to cosmos to emerge?

Goodness you ask fascinating questions, A-G!!! Perhaps the matter-antimatter asymmetry apparently demonstrated in the recorded 13% CP violation might be an indication of an "in-built bias in favor of life" manifesting in the universe from the very beginning? We must ask Doc and tortoise and Physicist what they think....

521 posted on 01/07/2005 2:03:56 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Perhaps the matter-antimatter asymmetry apparently demonstrated in the recorded 13% CP violation might be an indication of an "in-built bias in favor of life" manifesting in the universe from the very beginning? We must ask Doc and tortoise and Physicist what they think....

[Credibility check: I spent four years at Penn working on experimental issues of B-meson detection. Some of that work became the initial trigger design of the BTeV experiment at Fermilab, which has become much more sophisticated since.]

We really don't know the origin of CP violation. The question of "built-in bias" becomes one of whether the CP symmetry is spontaneously broken or dynamically broken.

Spontaneous symmetry breaking means that the symmetry had to break somehow, but there was no built-in bias to how it broke. For example, if you stand a knitting needle up on its point, it will fall because it's unstable. After it falls, it will point at some well-defined orientation, in contrast to the radial symmetry it enjoyed before it fell. There's nothing special about the orientation, however: it had to be something, and any orientation was as likely as any other. Anyone reading any significance into the orientation is fooling himself.

Dynamical symmetry breaking means that the way in which the symmetry breaks is forced. If someone pushed the standing needle in a particular direction, for example, or if the needle fell onto a slope, the radial symmetry would be dynamically broken. But while you can question the intentions of a pusher, the slope has none.

In the case of B mesons, we can't yet say how it happens, so the question of bias is premature.

523 posted on 01/07/2005 3:03:07 PM PST by Physicist
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To: betty boop; Physicist; tortoise; Doctor Stochastic; PatrickHenry; StJacques; cornelis; marron; ...
Thank you so much for your reply, betty boop, and for pinging tortoise, Doctor Stochastic and Physicist! And thank you so much, Physicist, for your ever insightful response!

For Lurkers, here's a recap:

We’ve been deep into research of Shannon-Weaver and information theory in molecular biology. At post 491 we have a recap of how far we got into the subject and some points of agreement – one of which is that there is no known source for information [Shannon, reduction of uncertainty in the receiver or as I like to paraphrase it, “successful communication”] in space/time albeit we did not explore string theory or geometric physics by agreement.

Within a few posts after that, betty boop introduced two major points and the thread is now redirected to a fascinating new, but related, line of inquiry. The points she raised are:

1. The fecundity principle - that life emerges at the earliest opportunity and takes advantage of environmental opportunities quickly. There is nothing in the physical laws known to me that would lead to such aggressiveness – in fact, the reverse would be true. As an example (from our previous research) – we have seen that each bit gained in biological information content must dissipate energy into the local surroundings.

2. Tunnel vision – that the ”theory of evolution” has a very narrow focus, the speciation of biological life on earth – while biological life is only some (arbitrary) sub-view of a larger “system”. The entire biosphere seems to “evolve” or aggressively pursue life – indeed, the cosmos seems aggressive.

She went further and raised a speculation that perhaps we are overlooking a field (universal vacuum field) – an inter-dimensional field like gravity perhaps – one which might be a host or origin to such communications (including aggression) - and form – and perhaps even be interactive where intention (consciousness) emerges.

I agree with betty boop that aggressiveness seems to be built into the larger “system” and we’ve discussed a number of examples.

With regard to the cosmos, I’ve raised the mysterious asymmetry of matter to anti-matter and wondered whether a geometric variation at inception (big bang) would be the first indicator of aggression – sort of a cosmic "will to live".

Admittedly, I was already interested in the possibility of unexplored geometric cause. On the one hand, there is the unexpected mirror symmetry in string theory and on the other, the speculation that geometry may give rise to strings.

Back to the subject of asymmetry in matter v anti-matter. As Physicist points out there is nothing to indicate whether the CP violation is caused by spontaneously broken or dynamically broken symmetry.

Certainly that is true - and to that I would add, not by itself.

However, if the asymmetry is indeed part of a greater “system” - as tortoise mentioned at post 475 noise in the Shannon model may not necessarily be random if it is part of a greater “system” - then perhaps the asymmetry ought to be recorded like a “pixel” on our screen of evidence?

In the end, if a picture emerges from all the evidence, we may have cause to suspect a bias causing the aggression (fecundity principle, I like to paraphrase as “will to live”) - right from the very beginning of space/time.

Such a bias could be physically caused by a field (inter-dimensional geometry) expressing higher dimensional mathematical structures (Tegmark).

Notwithstanding that, one cannot speak of such things without thinking of God - particularly if the picture indicates aggression overwhelmingly in one direction (intent) as the fecundity principle suggests.

Food for thought…

527 posted on 01/07/2005 10:05:50 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Please donate monthly to Free Republic!)
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