I'm not certain of your meaning, ckilmer. Can you re-phrase? Thank you.
I think the same analogy would describe how different people (beliefs) view the concept of God. Some view God as having only a single aspect. Others, who have moved from their position, view God as a Triunity -- each representing the whole.
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historically the arian position, while dominant is arabia--is an anomaly in the west.
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I'm not certain of your meaning, ckilmer. Can you re-phrase? Thank you.
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I'm responding to the "who have moved from their position" part of your statement.
I'm not sure what that's about. So I just stated that historically trinitarianism has been the dominant theology in the west. It has only been since the enlightenment that monism has been more prevalent--as practiced by unitarians (-1750)& jehovah witnesses +-1900)officially and liberal protestants (+-1935) unoffically in the USA and most protestant churches in Europe since the mid 1800's. The caveat for European churches is that they have very rapidly gone from monism to extinction. In Berlin alone some 70 churches are up for sale this year because no one attends. Monism is what happens when Jesus is considered to be no longer equal to God the Father. That is he is considered a great teacher/philosopher/prophet and very very good. The Moslems think of Jesus as being a wise man/teacher/prophet/very very very good--but not God. They take the assertion that Jesus is God in the same way that the Jews of Jesus time took Jesus words--as blasphemy.
There is no proof. Rather I have heard it said that the form of christianity that Mohammed encountered was arianism. Arianism, Named after Arias of Alexandria Egypt-- was the third century heresy against which the council of Nicea ruled in +-325. I have learned in recent years that-- during the civil wars of the roman empire of the period--the Arians and the neoplatonists were fellow travelers. Similiarly, you'll find that starting from the late 1700's the neoplatonists in the philosophy depts in the west and the purveyors of "higher criticism" in the seminaries were also fellow travelors.
Interestingly, I heard a presentation last sunday by the second of a team of free church affiliated--Calvinist German Seminarians who want to set up calvinist church in downtown Berlin. It would be the first in more than 200 years. He has been training at Redeemer Presbyterian Church in NYC. Redeemer is the first Calvinist (conservative/trinitarian) Presbyterian Church to be set up in any downtown area in the USA in many decades. Many liberal presbyterian downtown churches in NYC are virtually abandoned but they are not as far along as the liberal churches in Berlin. The German church planter I talked with was Christian Nowatzky. His historical take was much similiar to the one I presented above.
here's the url for that group.
http://www.redeemer2.com/themovement/issues/2004/august/berlinprojekt.html
My impression is the guys have the right stuff. Its my prayer that it can be said of the Germans in the next decade or so "who have moved from their position" ...
"historically the arian position, while dominant is arabia--is an anomaly in the west."
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I'm not certain of your meaning, ckilmer. Can you re-phrase? Thank you.
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sorry for the long explanation. The better sentence than the one I posted above would require the preposition "in" rather than the verb "is"--so it would read--
"historically the arian position, while dominant in arabia--is an anomaly in the west."
Sorry too for leaving out the explanation of Arianism. The arian position or Arianism is named after Arius of Alexandria who in the early 300's AD, --said that Jesus was fully Man but Not fully God. This caused a dispute in the church which was resolved at the council of Nicea under Constantine's auspices --in favor of the trinitarians--who held that Jesus is fully God as well as fully Man. However, there was still another 100+ years or so of wars in the late roman empire to be fought in which this theological debate played a part. Civil wars on this scale in which theology placed such a central role would not come again to Europe until the latter half of the 1500's and then would run for the next 100 years or so. The climactic catholic/protestant wars were during the 30 years wars of 1619-1649. However, nothing was really settled. Everyone remained pissed and bitter. And the animosity between catholics and protestants did not really subside until both were eclipsed and diminished by secularists in the 20th century.
Finally, people who believe in arianism are, necessarily, monists. --since jesus is out of the godhead-- as well as the holy spirit.