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Secession is a Hollywood Fantasy(more lies from Larry O'Donnell)
The Cato institute ^ | Nov 29 2004 | Patrick Basham and Niels Veldhuis

Posted on 11/29/2004 8:09:27 PM PST by Bullish

November 29, 2004

Secession is a Hollywood Fantasy
by Patrick Basham and Niels Veldhuis

Patrick Basham is senior fellow in the Center for Representative Government at the Cato Institute. Niels Veldhuis is senior research economist at the Fraser Institute.

"The West Wing" can be great television. But we should not confuse a good story with reality. The show's producer, Lawrence O'Donnell, recently raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group." According to O'Donnell, "Ninety percent of the red states are welfare client states of the federal government. They collect more from the federal government than they send in."

O'Donnell argued that the "big problem the country now has, which is going to produce a serious discussion of secession over the next 20 years, is that the segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."

Is O'Donnell in the vanguard of a new secession movement? He certainly isn't alone in his views. Moaned Chris Jackson, the Los Angeles-based music director for the E! network, "I don't feel like a member of society any more ... Can California, the rest of the west coast, and New York secede?" Internet tee-shirt venders are selling shirts that read, "I seceded."

But O'Donnell's claim that the red states are bleeding blue states such as New York and California is a bad reading of the fiscal evidence. He includes both transfers to governments and transfers to individuals in his calculations. In this type of analysis, demographics play the major role in determining which states are net recipients.

States with more senior citizens, and hence more residents receiving Social Security, Medicare, and other federal entitlements, are bound to receive more than they give. Keep in mind that such entitlement spending makes up a large part of the federal budget.

A retirement state such as Florida receives a disproportionate amount in individual transfers. But many retirees receiving individual transfers are transitory residents who spent most of their working lives in New York and other blue states. Therefore, transfers to individuals should not be included in an analysis of which states are net contributors and net recipients.

In theory, secessionary pressures might be present if there was a large imbalance in transfers from the federal government to state governments, rather than simply a transfer imbalance between governments and individuals. If O'Donnell and his worldly peers cast their eyes upon our northern neighbor, Canada, a country that knows something about modern-day secession, they will find precious little evidence of seccessionary pressure from jurisdictions that are large net contributors to the federal government.

Canada's federal government has two specific programs that transfer resources from wealthier provinces to poorer ones. The federal government finances industrial development programs in Canada's poorer regions by transferring monies out of its more prosperous regions. Canada also maintains a constitutionally enshrined equalization program that transfers resources from the country's prosperous provinces to its poorer provinces.

Historically, three provinces, British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario, have been net contributors with the other seven provinces being net recipients. Some recipient provinces receive over 20 percent of their revenues from such payments. Yet, never has this decades-long, one-way fiscal flow stimulated a politically viable secessionist movement.

The province of Quebec provides the most striking evidence against O'Donnell's forecast. Adapting O'Donnell's cultural and fiscal yardsticks, Quebec may be categorized as a red province. It is also the largest net recipient of government subsidies. So, Quebec's always been pretty satisfied with the political status quo, eh? Quite the opposite, in fact.

Quebec's secessionist movement is so strong that the province has held two referenda on succession. The most recent ballot, held nine years ago, saw 49.5 percent vote to leave Canada. Over the past quarter-century, Quebec has mostly had secessionist provincial governments; in national politics, secessionists have dominated Quebec's federal parliamentary delegation for four consecutive elections.

Empirically unfounded and comparatively disproven, blue state secession is an idea that only Hollywood could believe in. If a blue state candidate ever loses a presidential election on the "The West Wing," it isn't hard to guess where the plotline will be headed.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hollywood; kerrydefeat; lawrenceodonnell; secession
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To: Bullish

A Hollywood actor, a Muslim, and a Red-stater were walking on the beach one day, when they stumbled upon a genie's lamp.

After the genie's lamp was rubbed, the genie appeared, promising to grant each of them one wish.

The Hollywood actor wished that all entertainers could move to Canada, where they would live in peace and prosperity and with license to do anything they'd like forever. "Poof!" The genie granted the actor's wish.

The Muslim wished that all Muslims in the United States could return to the Middle East, where they would live in peace, harmony, and prosperity forever, and without need or future wish to return to the United States again. "Poof!" The genie granted the Muslim's wish, and all Muslims in the United States were immediately relocated to the Middle East.

The genie turned to the Red-stater, asking for his wish.

"Well, Mr. Genie, it looks like you've covered all the bases very well. Can I have a Diet Coke?"


21 posted on 11/29/2004 8:43:45 PM PST by Repub in a sea of idiots
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To: Repub in a sea of idiots

Very good!


22 posted on 11/29/2004 8:44:52 PM PST by Bullish
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To: Bullish

Yeah...thats it...Yeah..Yeah...smarmy and slimey


23 posted on 11/29/2004 8:46:47 PM PST by concretebob (Power perceived, is power achieved)
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To: Bullish

I hear Larry is going to become the new Democrat Symbol, since he's a bigger Jacka$$.


24 posted on 11/29/2004 8:59:35 PM PST by Former Dodger ("False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. " - Plato)
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To: concretebob
What was that video game several yeras ago, had the name Larry in the title?

Not sure. Those in my family don'y play video games. Seems we need to go to work, earn an income to pay for the children's education in (private schools ((barf cost alert)). Then Karen and I were in forced retirement, two years ago, due to mergers &acquisitions, and could not relocate. Times are tough now. However, we are not looking for government handouts.

25 posted on 11/29/2004 10:36:27 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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