Posted on 11/28/2004 3:23:45 PM PST by mhking
MONTROSE, Colo. - NBC Sports chairman Dick Ebersol survived a charter plane crash on takeoff Sunday at Montrose Regional Airport, the network said in a statement through its Denver affiliate KUSA-TV.
At least two people — the pilot and the co-pilot — died in the crash, according to the network.
Ebersol and two other people were seriously injured, and rescuers were searching for a person listed on the plane’s manifest whose seat from the plane was missing from the wreckage.
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
What's a "contaminated" runway, please?
Done.
Snow, ice and other freezing precipitation above a certain accumulation.
Per Fox News just now: "Pilot opted NOT to de-ice prior to departure". By itself, that doesn't mean anything. Maybe the aircraft was hangared.
No, that's LOSER,
Anyway you look at it, it's still a tragedy and now it's time to let NTSB do their job.
"This is so sad, prayers for the family. Susan St. James is a favorite actress of mine. This must be so very hard for them all."
So tragic. I keep thinking of how horrible a day it has been for her. Husband & son survive but another son, only 14 years old, doesn't make it. How heartbreaking for the Ebersol family. It seems incredible that anyone actually survived the crash and burn, seeing the photos.
The AP newstory said Susan St James had been on the flight prior to the crash. They had dropped her off in Colorado and then were proceeding to Indiana where the boys went to school.
Ebersol's Son Dies in Jet Crash
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=5&u=/ap/20041130/ap_on_re_us/jet_crash
I know that my reply is a day late BUT I have it on first hand info that Susan St.James was dropped off at Montrose and that the aircraft then continued on (well almost).
Ebersol and Son were transported by ground vehicle from
Montrose to St. Mary's ER in Grand Junction. Weather conditions would not allowing air evac.
Susan St.James was waiting in the ER when they arrived!!
RP did not know if SStJ saw the crash or if she left the airfield while the plane was refueled if in fact the plane took on fueled.
Standing water on the runway also counts as a contaminate
"Pilot opted NOT to de-ice prior to departure". By itself, that doesn't mean anything. Maybe the aircraft was hangared."
There is no way to sugarcoat human error!
All I can say for myself is there by the grace of....
Two fatal accidents in the Bizav community in a little more then a week. Very sad indeed.
"SOPs call for wing anti-ice measures to be engaged above 400' (it allows for the cooling of the bleed air so that the wings don't melt) then there was no protection as the Challenger was building airspeed."
Are you CL typed?
I dont claim to have a Bombardier time , but Gulfstream allows for both wing/cowl anti ice on the ground prior to takeoff.
Mr. Jet --
Why would the pilots choose not to de-ice in this kind of situation?
Keeping the Ebersol family in my daily prayers. Please Lord, send them the comfort of angels.
It looked to me like the Irish played about as well as they could, but were just overwhelmed by an (apparently) unstoppable Trojan team. No shame in that. Hats off to you Notre Dame guys for never giving up.
As a die-hard fan of the Alabama Crimson Tide, I know what it feels like to mourn former glory while suffering through season after season of recent disappointment (If only our offense could've found it's spark, we might have had a chance against Auburn...). At 6-5 and (minor) bowl bound, it could still have been worse, i.e. Have you seen Penn State lately?
On a more serious note, may God bless the souls of the two unlucky passagers, and may He comfort Ebersol with his limitless grace and love.
" The pilot, 50-year-old Luis Alberto Polanco Espaillat, of the Dominican Republic, and flight attendant Warren T. Richardson III, 36, of Coral Gables, Fla., were killed on impact. Ebersol and his oldest son, Charles, are expected to recover after being taken to a hospital in Grand Junction and the co-pilot was in critical condition at a burn unit in Denver"
There could be millions of reasons why they elected not to deice. Maybe the crew was "timing out" on their duty day limitations. Some Flight ops manuals used to cover "Frost on wing surfaces" as acceptable if it does not stick to the surface of the wing.( This is before the Feds put out the Clean Wing Concept. Maybe one of the crewmembers did the old " Amex deice" proceedure, where you take any credit card and scrape off any frost on all leading edges. Some Charter operators have a provision for one of the crew members to visually inspect the wings from inside the cabin prior to departure, as a last minute "good to go" check.
I can assure all that the Buisness Aviation community is very shocked and saddend at this tradgedy for the Ebersol family , but also the G-3 crew that perished in Houston.
"The Montrose airfield hits 5,759 feet, and has two runways. The one used by Ebersol's plane was 7,500 feet long. The other is 10,000."
My flight guide is four years old, and shows rwy 13/31 as 8497' long, 987' of which is displaced threshold.
I had ASSumed that they used the long runway.
You are correct
IIRC Rwy 13/31 is closed to acft over 12,500lbs
Odd as it sounds, losing your shoes is a common occurence in violent crashes. Same thing happens in car wrecks.
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