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Should The F-22 be cancelled?
26-nov,2004 | Me

Posted on 11/25/2004 6:44:38 PM PST by Haro_546

Yes. This type of aircraft has no place in the modern battlefield and Foreseeable conflicts. The money could be put into more usefull sistems (each unit cost about $235 million for 239 planes) Whats your opinion?


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To: airborne

Happy anniversary. Good to have you with us.


381 posted on 11/25/2004 10:01:08 PM PST by carl in alaska (Once a Chargers fan, always a Chargers fan....)
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To: BoBToMatoE

air dominance means owning the sky, our current defense systems do this very effectively.


382 posted on 11/25/2004 10:01:37 PM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: Quix
Hey Quix, Are these the advanced aircraft you think were holding back on deploying?
383 posted on 11/25/2004 10:01:57 PM PST by mowowie
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To: Andrew LB

Hmmmmm.

But it seems rather ungainly to me. Or am I mixing it up. Oh, yeah. that one.

Yeah, I've heard that, too.

I don't put much stock in one or 2 or even 3-4 odd sources. But when it gets to be 8-12diverse, quality sorts of sources, it gets interesting.


384 posted on 11/25/2004 10:02:36 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Long Cut
I know there are a number of Freepers who keep saying that the F-35 will be canceled.

With all due respect to these fine people, they are dead wrong. Production of the F/A-22 and F-35 will go ahead. The only question is how many of each will be built.
385 posted on 11/25/2004 10:02:47 PM PST by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today’s.)
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To: brazzaville

I strongly believe that France will be in on the side of the Russians when they, the Chinese, Cubans, Venezuelans, Mexicans et al attack us.


386 posted on 11/25/2004 10:03:59 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Dundee

The F-22 should be kept at squadron. Its a waste of money.


387 posted on 11/25/2004 10:04:08 PM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: Haro_546
We could use the money saved on more urgent defense systems.

What systems do you propose? Will they be as effective as the F-22?

How long will these 'systems' take to put in place?

What will you do about the money already spent in the last decade for fighter that is ready to go into service?

388 posted on 11/25/2004 10:04:10 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Haro_546

Sensible to me.


389 posted on 11/25/2004 10:04:37 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Haro_546

Cancel it and build the UAVs which can do the job in the war on terrorism. DARPA, it was reported in Aviation Week a while back, had developed an ornithopter which could be covered with feathers and made to loook like a pigeon. Want a spy who could follow Al Quadea? Pigeons are ubiquitious and could listen for intelligence. His companion could carry a munitions charge and BOOM! How many millions could be built at the cost of one X-22???


390 posted on 11/25/2004 10:06:04 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: carl in alaska
My bone marrow is 13, so I guess I get to go through puberty again.;^)

(my blood type changed from O+ to O-)

391 posted on 11/25/2004 10:06:20 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: airborne

Ahhhh. thanks.

Thought I'd seen it but wasn't sure where from.


392 posted on 11/25/2004 10:07:42 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: airborne

We can't do anything about the money already spend. The f-22 is a hunter; we should upgrade the electronics on our current planes, better anti-radiation missiles,and SAM/AAM missiles, more cruisers and destroyers and build the F-35.


393 posted on 11/25/2004 10:10:05 PM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: Long Cut

Interesting analysis.

Not very impressive to me, though.

Majorities in lots of groups have been wrong.

Majorities in groups against 'wierdos with no credibility' have also been wrong.


394 posted on 11/25/2004 10:10:07 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Haro_546
The F-22 should be kept at squadron. Its a waste of money.

In my professional judgement, the USAF should stick to its plans for a F-22/F-35 mixed fleet.

395 posted on 11/25/2004 10:10:32 PM PST by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today’s.)
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To: Quix
Here's the first Enterprise (from the series 'Enterprise')


396 posted on 11/25/2004 10:10:40 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Young Werther

I agree.


397 posted on 11/25/2004 10:10:42 PM PST by Haro_546 (Christian Zionist)
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To: airborne

PRAISE GOD FOR THAT

AND ALL HIS BEST TO YOU AND YOUR SONS AND FAMILY.

May you have many long hours of deeply intimate conversations with your sons as you wind up preparing them for the future!

God's peace, guidance, provision, health, wholeness, joy, protection . . . be yours.


398 posted on 11/25/2004 10:11:42 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: mowowie

I always thought those were a bit hokey.

Passe, actually.


399 posted on 11/25/2004 10:14:03 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Haro_546
"We could use the money saved on more urgent defense systems."

What are these more urgently needed defense systems? Our biggest weakness today is lack of actionable intelligence about terrorist threats. Unless you know of some magical new technology to improve our intelligence-gathering capability, I can't think of many systems that are more valuable than the F-22. Based on my non-expert knowledge of UAVs, I think you're overestimating the capability of un-manned aircraft. For example, UAVs cannot engage in a dogfight with an enemy fighter plane or land safely on an aircraft carrier. There are some missions that require the human eye and intelligence to make the right decisions. UAVs do a fine job of surveying the battlefield for ground commanders, but they can't land safely on a tight runway or engage an enemy plane effectively at this time.

As for fighter planes being helpless against surface to air missiles (SAMs), that's not true at this time. Standoff weapons are allowing us to stay farther away from air defense systems and we have well developed counter-measures against SAMs. Please recall that the Iraqis fired the latest Chinese missiles at our planes for ten years and never shot one down.

400 posted on 11/25/2004 10:14:39 PM PST by carl in alaska (Once a Chargers fan, always a Chargers fan....)
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