Posted on 11/25/2004 3:08:26 PM PST by neverdem
Your opinion on this mess?
Are Putin's boys are coughing up concessions already?
They must be in a panic mode. They better warm up the planes they brought the goons in with. Make some room for the stooges, too.
It just struck me. I haven't seen Jimmy's name mentioned yet, he's usually in the thick of disputed elections. Ukrain would be better off without his presence, I'm just used to seeing his name pop up when elections are at risk of being stolen.
Bottom line is that if this were an honest election, Kuchma wouldn't have to mobilize Russian troops to put down the rebellion.
If he has called in the Russians, its because he doesn't trust his own police and soldiers to remain loyal when they face the citizenry. That, to me, speaks volumes.
If this election has indeed been stolen, the opposition had better be prepared to win in the streets, they had better pray for the army and police to join them, or at least protect them from the Russians. And finally, when its all over, who ever invited foreign troops into the country must be clapped into prison for a good long rest. Specifically, Kuchma had better go into exile, or face prison.
Those Uk Army generals who have failed to defend the country against foreign troops should be courtmartialed when this is over.
Jhimmie Cahtah's Modus Operandi is to stir up agitation and run his mouth in the run-up to an election.
When the mix turns sour, like in the Ukraine, Cahtah runs away.
Besides, he favor the ex-Soviets over a homegrown republican.
5% percent voters added on election day...
Isn't this what the democrats want (and have been successful in doing in some states?)
He's not Ukraine's premier, he's Ukraines EX-premier.
Outright Catholics, Greek Catholics, Ukrainian Russian Orthodox, ethnic Russian Orthodox, Nationalist Ukranian Orthodox schismatics, and non Slav minorities.
There is no loyalty much besides local/regional loyalty. No matter who had won those that lost would never feel any loyalty to the winner as would be the case say in America's blue-red state divide.
Ping
It would seem that Yanukovich has taken a lesson from the democrats here in the USA on how to rig an election.
Ukraine was the center of the first Slavic state, Kievan Rus, which during the 10th and 11th centuries was the largest and most powerful state in Europe. Weakened by internecine quarrels and Mongol invasions, Kievan Rus was incorporated into the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and eventually into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The cultural and religious legacy of Kievan Rus laid the foundation for Ukrainian nationalism through subsequent centuries. A new Ukrainian state, the Cossack Hetmanate, was established during the mid-17th century after an uprising against the Poles. Despite continuous Muscovite pressure, the Hetmanate managed to remain autonomous for well over 100 years. During the latter part of the 18th century, most Ukrainian ethnographic territory was absorbed by the Russian Empire. Following the collapse of czarist Russia in 1917, Ukraine was able to bring about a short-lived period of independence (1917-1920), but was reconquered and forced to endure a brutal Soviet rule that engineered two artificial famines (1921-22 and 1932-33) in which over 8 million died. In World War II, German and Soviet armies were responsible for some 7 to 8 million more deaths. Although independence was achieved in 1991 with the dissolution of the USSR, true freedom remains elusive, as the legacy of state control has been difficult to throw off.
That they don't have the intrasectional unity that we have here is not a bar to being a nation. It's simply that the U.S. has decided it's a unitary state instead of a republic and your comments reflect that. Seems like they're a nation to me, or their election for President would just be unimportant...it'd be like running for student body president. :)
I have not heard such mother goose marxism drivel in a while. It makes me nostalgic for me college days.
You forgot to mention a sizeable jewish population as well as baptist and jehovah witness and protestant (sounds like just about any other "artificial" nation).
PS - even the commies had to relent to the existence of the ukraine republic as in "UCCP" or ukrainski soviet socialist republic.
I have noticed this talking point on some other sites - is this the spin put out by the Putin PR people?
Does anyone remember November 3rd when the democrats were shouting some of the same charges against republicans? How much confidence do we have in these reports?
Who is the international observation election commission? Is part of the same cabal that sanctioned Jimmy Carter's observations in South America recently?
There's definately a poll-cat around here somewhere's. I'm just not convinced who it is yet.
Refreshing in comparison to some of the commie plants parading here on FR.
Tremendous support from across Ukraine, students and demonstrators are braving cold, having support from taxi drivers, people providing hot drinks, food, socks, clothing. Support coming from emigrees, starting collecting funds in support of demonstrators.
More disinformation propaganda spreding by commie stooge. Comparing situation with elections in Ukraine and US is sign of insanity and commie brainwashing. Go to Err America and confuse your buddies there, we don't need this crap here!
Keivan Rus was Russian - not Ukranian - after the Mongols the Russians moved themselves Northwars to Moscow - cure your lack of history. It's ok you are in good company - most Americans don't know history. As you can see from your post - no state of Ukraine existed - just states within the geographic area of the Ukraine.
Can't read? I wrote "and non Slav minorities."
Learn to read and digest what you read.
Viktor is not the official winner.
Court puts Ukraine result on hold
Concessions? Viktor, get on the plane.
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