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To: Wonder Warthog
So why don't YOU show how "intelligent design" has successfully predicted ANY scientific discovery or piece of data. Evolutionary theory has and continues to do so.

You show me yours, I'll show you mine. The continuing pattern seems to be "oh yeah, well I'll one up you". Neither you, nor any of your fantasy believing cohorts can do what you are asking me to do. However, I can... Ready?

1. Science STILL cannot explain the sudden explosion of life on earth. Genesis, however, gives the only plausible explanation.

2. Prophetic Evidence: Still don't believe the Bible's true? The Bible records predictions of events that could not have been known or predicted by chance (a farcical nuance you evolutionist types seem to cling to) or common sense. Surprisingly, the predictive nature of many Bible passages was once a popular argument against the reliability of the Bible. Critics argued that various passages were written later than the biblical texts indicated because they recounted events that happened sometimes hundreds of years later than when they were supposedly written. They concluded that, subsequent to the events, literary editors went back and "doctored" the original, nonpredictive texts. But this is simply WRONG! Careful research AFFIRMS the predictive accuracy of the Bible. For example, the book of Daniel (written before 530 B.C.) ACCURATELY predicts the progression of kingdoms from Babylon through the Medo-Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, and then the Roman Empire, culminating in the persecution and suffering of the Jews under Antiochus IV Epiphanes, his desecration of the temple, his untimely death, and freedom for the Jews under Judas Maccabeus (165 B.C.).
Old Testament prophecies concerning the Phoenician city of Tyre were fulfilled in ancient times, including prophecies that the city would be opposed by many nations (Ezek. 26:3); it's walls would be destroyed and towers broken down (26:4); and it's stones, timbers, and debris would be thrown into the water(26:12). Similar prophecies were fulfilled concerning Sidon (Ezek. 28:23; Isa. 23; Jer. 27:3-6; 47:4) and Babylon (Jer. 50:13, 39; 51:26, 42, 43, 58; Isa. 13:20, 21).
Since Christ is the culminating theme of the Old Testament and the Living Word of the New Testament, it should not surprise us that prophecies regarding Him outnumber all others. Many of these prophecies would have been IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to deliberately conspire to fulfill, such as His descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 12:3; 17:19); His birth in Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2); His crucifixion with criminals (Isa. 53:12); the piercing of his hands and feet on the cross (Psalms 22:16); the soldiers gambling for His clothes (Psalms 22:18); the piercing of His side and the fact that His bones were not broken at His death (Zech. 12:10; Ps. 34:20); and His burial among the rich (Isa. 53:9). Jesus also predicted His own death and resurrection (John 2:19-22).

Or how about Sir William Ramsay, a trained archaeologist who set out to disprove the historical reliability of the book of Luke? Through his painstaking Mediterranean archaeological trips, he became converted as, one after another, the historical allusions of Luke were PROVED accurate! Truly, with every turn of the archaeologists spade, we continue to see evidence for the trustworthiness of Scripture.

Any more questions? Ask away...
222 posted on 11/24/2004 5:30:31 PM PST by go_W_go
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To: go_W_go
However, I can... Ready?

1. Science STILL cannot explain the sudden explosion of life on earth.

Doesn't mean it will never be able to.

Genesis, however, gives the only plausible explanation.'

Nah, What about the Zeus or the great turtle?

2. Prophetic Evidence: Still don't believe the Bible's true?

For example, the book of Daniel (written before 530 B.C.) ACCURATELY predicts the progression of kingdoms from Babylon through the Medo-Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, and then the Roman Empire, culminating in the persecution and suffering of the Jews under Antiochus IV Epiphanes, his desecration of the temple, his untimely death, and freedom for the Jews under Judas Maccabeus (165 B.C.).

The book of Daniel was written well after the fact of all these events, Since he couldn't even get the names & times of the kings right

Old Testament prophecies concerning the Phoenician city of Tyre were fulfilled in ancient times, including prophecies that the city would be opposed by many nations (Ezek. 26:3); it's walls would be destroyed and towers broken down (26:4); and it's stones, timbers, and debris would be thrown into the water(26:12).

No it wasn't, Ezekiel predicted it would be utterly destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar

Ezekiel 26:7

For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people.

Ezek: 26:14

And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

If this prophecy was true than where exactly was Alexander the Great invading and Jesus walking through later.

Similar prophecies were fulfilled concerning Sidon (Ezek. 28:23; Isa. 23; Jer. 27:3-6; 47:4) and Babylon (Jer. 50:13, 39; 51:26, 42, 43, 58; Isa. 13:20, 21).

Well gee, making predictions about ancient cities being attacked, That's wouldn't be hard to do, since every ancient city was always attacked from time to time.

Plus what about these flops

Isaiah 19:18

In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

Since they never spoke Canaan in Eqypt and it is a dead lauguage this is a failed prophecy (Plus I missed The City of Destruction on the tour)

Jeremiah 3:17

At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

All nations embrace Judaism?? I don't think so

Ezekiel 21:32

Thou (The Ammonites), shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

For one the Ammonites lived on for a few centuries before fading away and secondly umm by mentioning the Ammonites in this prophecy God guarentees they will be remembered thus falsifying his own prophecy.

Since Christ is the culminating theme of the Old Testament and the Living Word of the New Testament, it should not surprise us that prophecies regarding Him outnumber all others. Many of these prophecies would have been IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to deliberately conspire to fulfill,

But not impossible for the gospel writters who were writting after the fact to fit the story to the prophecies and even then they got it wrong

such as His descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 12:3; 17:19);

Which descent would that be?

The one through Soloman in Mt.1:6-16 or Nathan in Lk.3:21-31?

His birth in Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2);

Another false prophecy since this is talking about "people" not a person

Plus see

Mic. 5:6

And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

Did Jesus do this????? I didn't know he was a great military leader.

His crucifixion with criminals (Isa. 53:12);

ISA. 53:12

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

HUH? How do you get that out of there

the piercing of his hands and feet on the cross (Psalms 22:16);

Psalms 22:16

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Weak,

Especially since the nails would have had to pierce him in the wrist not the hands and it says nothing about a cross

And where are these dogs???

the piercing of His side and the fact that His bones were not broken at His death (Zech. 12:10; Ps. 34:20);

Zech 12:10

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

I don't see anything about his side and the term "pierced" is kind of vague there

Psalms 34:20

He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

Again vague and whoppie doo, Predicting someone won't brake any bones.

I predict George Bush won't brake any bones tonight, If he doesn't does that make me a prophet?

Jesus also predicted His own death and resurrection (John 2:19-22).

2:19

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

2:20

Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21

But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22

When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

1) Jesus didn't predict it, His friends thought that was what was talking about.

2) Jesus died on a Friday and came back Sunday, That's two days not three (really a day and ½)

And let's not forget these bombs

Isaiah 7:14

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Jesus was never called Immanuel.

Plus what about all the Jesus is coming back in their lifetime prophecies that never came true

i.e  All these things shall come upon this generation.

Matthew  10:23, 16:28, 23:36, 26:24 - Mark 13:30 - Luke 9:27 - John 21:22 - Philippians 4:5   1 Thessalonians 3:14, 5:23

Have a happy Thanksgiving

238 posted on 11/24/2004 6:58:21 PM PST by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: go_W_go
No--just a comment. You STILL refuse to answer the SPECIFIC QUESTION of how "intelligent design" addresses the primary requirement of actually being a scientific theory by exhibiting predictive use.

As to your other "points", all religion, no science.

"...evolution has always been, and still is the "challenger", ..."

Not anymore. Evolution has proven itself as science. "Intelligent design" has not.

242 posted on 11/25/2004 3:24:55 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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