Posted on 11/23/2004 7:36:40 PM PST by LouAvul
After Idalia and Jose Moran's son was born by C-section, Idalia Moran's doctor advised her not to get pregnant again for two to three years, and prescribed the pill.
But as CBS News correspondent Byron Pitts reports, when she went to the pharmacy, the cashier said, "You know what? I cannot refill them because the pharmacist says it's against his religion because it's abortion."
Moran told CBS she was stunned and ashamed.
"I felt really bad, because I thought maybe these are for abortion," Moran said. "I don't know."
Across the country, more and more pharmacists are refusing to fill prescriptions for religious reasons.
South Dakota, Arkansas and Mississippi even have refusal clauses on the books. And 13 other states are considering mixing medicine with morality.
At Lloyd's Pharmacy in Gray, La., Lloyd Duplantis believes in prayer.
"God bless the great state of Louisiana, the parish…In the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit…" Duplantis said in a makeshift prayer group in the middle of his store.
And he believes birth control is tantamount to abortion. So, he stocks his shelves accordingly.
"I don’t sell condoms. I don't sell foams. I don't sell creams," Duplantis said. "I don't sell anything to do with contraception."
He said, even if a woman who was the victim of incestuous rape walked in his door after having been prescribed the pill, he wouldn't change his policy.
"I would tell her that I can't prescribe this," Duplantis said.
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
LOL...A newborn baby is viable on its own? I'd like to see him try!
I'd give it up if I were you. For these folks, religion is a fairy tale but the movie Aliens is true.
Then I guess pornographers CAN make kiddie porn, being a privately owned business and all.
Fine, I disagree with you, but my point was that this is the only thing that matters. If it is a human being, then it needs protection. If it is not, then it doesn't.
What are you doing here on this forum? When you are not hurling insults at people of faith you are proclaiming yourself a "religious authority" even though your little cut-and-pastes are totally bogus.
You have some serious issues, probably the result of "post traumatic grief disorder" caused by your decision to have an abortion many years ago. You can claim that it was your "choice" but choices have consequences, and now you are struggling to deal with the reality of what you have done.
We on this forum who are pro-life and who observe G-D's commandments are not qualified to be your group therapy session.
Get professional help. I will pray for you.
The last time I checked, kiddie-porn was still illegal. The pharmacist is not breaking any laws by not carrying certain products in his store.
Comparing apples and oranges still just doesn't work, now, does it.
A fetus isn't a human being...
Define a human being please.
A fetus isn't a human being... It is a potentiial but until about the 24th week of gestation it isn't a person ...
I infer that you define a fetus past week 24 as a person then?
It is more like a parasite, licinhg off another human being who being independent has the right to eject it is it isn't wanted...
Define 'parasite' please.
As simple as that!
If it is that simple, I assume everyone can follow along as you educate us simple folk so that we can resolve this issue once and for all and move on to more important problems. Once we all agree with you on abortion (assuming arguendo that you are correct and it is 'as simple as that'), what other issues ought we worry about? What are your top ten conservative (you are a conservative, yes?) action items?
Thanks Alouette. That nailed it. I counsel post-abortive women and this person is definitely having problems admitting being guilty of baby murder. She will justify, justify, and justify until kingdom come.
It would be better in the long run to own up when one is wrong while you still have the chance, than rot in hell for "choice." It's called repentance, something pro-choicers are not known to do as a rule. When they're ready, they come to me for help. The Planned Parenthood types chew these hurting women up and spit them out.
No answers? But I thought this stuff was "As simple as that!"?
Well good for the Pharmacist.
Let the progressive liberal socialist pro-killing abortion baby killers get their crap from one of their own.
I hope this Store gets more business due to this. I wish it were near me, I would buy from them.
And to think the leftist thugs think pepple are actually entitled to this... What a Crock....
Also interesting how these leftist extremist thugs who advocate the Killing of children, almost always leave out portions of Constitutional Amendments. Let's look at the first one, shall we.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Note the following contained therein, now a store is not part of the Government, but I bet some leftists think this Pharmacist MUST carry the killer pills. And I believe this falls under "The Free Expression Thereof".
What the leftist progressive socialist thugs want everyone to believe is that ABortion is a religeous issue. To some it is, but simple common sense AND SCIENCE dictates that it is life.
The Thugs say well, if it was taken out, it could not survive, etc........
And if it was left alone, and the woman simply lived her life, it would survive. But with interference, that child is KILLED, and that is a sad fact.
You want pro-choice.... Great, let's let the child decide when it is old enough to decide, like the age of majority.
I am consistent, I oppose the killing of children, and I am opposed to the death penalty as well.
Now go find all those HYPOCRITICAL leftist liberal progressiove socialist extremist thugs who advocate the killing of children who have no choice, and then say they are opposed to the Death Penalty. Hypocrites...
The leftist thugs won't look at all the studies showing the psychological problems of women who have killed their children.
The leftist thugs won't acknowledge the rights of a Father who also bred life into a woman's womb, and without their sperm, there would be no child. In other words, MORONS, it takes two people, not just the woman who kills. Where is the choice of the Father, as it takes two sets of gense, not one, you pathetic morons...
No they just won't be happy until any woman, and only women have the choice to continue to kill children at will, whenever they choose to.
Losers.....
Thanks for posting the article, and for those who are pro-choice, go whine over at DU where you are welcome to spew your support for the killing of children. Good thing your parents didn't take that route, huh?
Regards,
Joe
"...but I bet some leftists think this Pharmacist MUST carry the killer pills."
Including posters here on FR, right Pitiricus?
I've never understood the objection to an organization or business that restricts its patrons based on a given criteria.
The right of association is another right lost to the PC crowd, although not totally. The Congressional Black Caucus can exclude whites and blacks who are not Demoncrats. White Power clubs get banned while Black Power clubs get student body fees and official sanction. Women's Studies are fine, while male athletics have to share 'equally' with female, or be coed. And on and on.
Simple!
A parasite depends on the good will of the organism it feeds on...
A fetus depends on the woman... if SHE decides she doesn't want IT, then out it goes...
I must say, my husband and I did look at the product of abortion after I aborted (first trimester) and it looked exactly like my period... So to say this is a HUMAN being is where your logics is flawed... It is a potential... An acorn is not a tree, neither is a fetus a person...
Of course it is a parasite... A parasite is "an organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host...."
This is the description of the fetus until birth...
The difference is that a baby can be cared for by a variety of people and is not a parasite on one organism...
Your logics is very flawed...
It is a potential... What makes a human being is personhood, brain... I have posted a lot of studies showing that the brain isn't wired before the 21st-24th week of gestation...
In California, a real estate agent could lose their license, if they "refused" to show property to a particular individual because of race, religion, etc.
I fall into the category of people that feel a licensed pharmacist is holding himself out as a source for medicines.
As a service to the public, if he is only offering certain medicines, he should advertize as such.
He could call his business "Single Issue Pharmacy."
From http://www.tnr.com/013100/easterbrook013100.html
"The zygotes that do implant soon transform into embryos. During its early growth, an embryo is sufficiently undifferentiated that it is impossible to distinguish which tissue will end up as part of the new life and which will be discarded as placenta. By about the sixth week the embryo gives way to the fetus, which has a recognizable human shape. (It was during the embryo-fetus transition, Augustine believed, that the soul is acquired, and this was Catholic doctrine for most of the period from the fifth century until 1869.) Also around the sixth week, faint electrical activity can be detected from the fetal nervous system. Some pro-life commentators say this means that brain activity begins during the sixth week, but, according to Dr. Martha Herbert, a neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital, there is little research to support that claim. Most neurologists assume that electrical activity in the first trimester represents random neuron firings as nerves connect--basically, tiny spasms.
The fetus's heart begins to beat, and by about the twentieth week the fetus can kick. Kicking is probably a spasm, too, at least initially, because the fetal cerebral cortex, the center of voluntary brain function, is not yet "wired," its neurons still nonfunctional. (Readings from 20- to 22-week-old premature babies who died at birth show only very feeble EEG signals.) From the twenty-second week to the twenty-fourth week, connections start to be established between the cortex and the thalamus, the part of the brain that translates thoughts into nervous-system commands. Fetal consciousness seems physically "impossible" before these connections form, says Fisk, of the Imperial College School of Medicine.
At about the twenty-third week the lungs become able to function, and, as a result, 23 weeks is the earliest date at which premature babies have survived. At 24 weeks the third trimester begins, and at about this time, as the cerebral cortex becomes "wired," fetal EEG readings begin to look more and more like those of a newborn. It may be a logical consequence, either of natural selection or of divine creation, that fetal higher brain activity begins at about the time when life outside the mother becomes possible. After all, without brain function, prematurely born fetuses would lack elementary survival skills, such as the ability to root for nourishment.
At about 26 weeks the cell structure of the fetal brain begins to resemble a newborn's, though many changes remain in store. By the twenty-seventh week, according to Dr. Phillip Pearl, a pediatric neurologist at Children's Hospital in Washington, D.C., the fetal EEG reading shows well-organized activity that partly overlaps with the brain activity of adults, although the patterns are far from mature and will continue to change for many weeks. By the thirty-second week, the fetal brain pattern is close to identical to that of a full-term baby...."
So personhood as defined by the brain starts at about 22 weeks of gestation...
Until then, abortion should be on demand... After only if the health or life of the woman host is at risk... Which actually would be perfectly OLK with Roe v. Wade...
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