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Who Lost the Ukraine?
NewsMax ^ | 11/23/04 | Dick Morris

Posted on 11/23/2004 5:56:02 PM PST by wagglebee

Would-be Czar Vladimir Putin has taken a giant step toward reasserting the regional hegemony of the former Soviet Union by stealing the election in the Ukraine right under our noses.

As an unpaid, volunteer adviser to Viktor Yushchenko, the democratic candidate for president, I have seen, first hand, how Viktor Yanukovich, the Putin candidate backed by a rogue coalition of Russian Mafia, oil barons, former KGB officials and Communists, stole the election and thwarted the obvious will of the voters.

While the former Soviet Union was composed of many smaller nations, now independent, the key was the combination of Russia and the Ukraine. Russia’s 145 million people and the Ukraine’s 45 million are the core of what was the Soviet Empire. Reuniting them has to be the primary goal of any aspiring Russian czar.

But the people of the Ukraine don’t want Russian domination. The election contest pitted Viktor Yushchenko, who got the virtually solid support of the 60 percent of the population that is Ukrainian by ethnicity against Yanukovich, who won equally united backing from the 40 percent that is ethnically Russian.

The result was obvious: Exit polls (more accurate in Ukraine than when our own TV networks do them) showed Yushchenko winning by more than 10 points. But the final results announced by the government, which supported Yanukovich, showed a small margin in favor of the Russian-backed candidate.

Putin regarded the contest as so important that he personally visited the Ukraine in the weeks before the election to campaign for his candidate, a clear violation of the most elementary standards of independence and protocol. His former KGB henchmen – and once and future Communists – combined with Russian organized crime figures and oil barons to pump money into the race and to intimidate voters on the ground.

Yushchenko, a pro-Western former prime minister, survived two assassination attempts to make the race. At the start of the contest, he was run off the road while driving in the Ukraine. When he walked away from the wreck, the opposition poisoned him. Hospitalized in Vienna, his doctors diagnosed the poison, which mimicked a stroke in its symptoms, and nursed him to a full recovery.

If they couldn’t commit murder, Putin’s boys decided to commit larceny and did all they could to stack the election. Their totally controlled print and television media – all the information outlets in the nation – refused to give any favorable coverage to Yushchenko and biased all their news toward Yanukovich. We couldn’t even buy advertising space in any mass media outlet.

But, undaunted, Yushchenko’s supporters got their message out by hand, ditributing leaflets and flyers to every single household in the nation several times each week.

When, finally, the forces of freedom won the election, Putin’s operatives rigged the count and released totally phony results showing their stooge to be the winner.

The stakes could not be higher. If the Ukraine and Russia combine, as Putin clearly wants, the old Soviet Union will be back on the road to regional domination and the old ambitions of global power will return. And 45 million people will be cheated of the right to determine their own future.

We in the West are at best distracted and at worst willing to cede to Putin regional control in return for his assistance in the war on terror. This is a mistake of the same order of magnitude the allies made in the 1930s in dealing with Hitler.

The theft of the Ukrainian election is parallel to Germany’s decision to march into the Rhineland. And our refusal to notice or act is akin to the French and British policy of turning the other way.

Freedom may be on the march in the Middle East, but it is in full retreat in Eastern Europe.

So, again, the echo of the Nixonian question about China: Who lost the Ukraine?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: dickmorris; putin; totalitarianism; ukraine; voterfraud
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To: wagglebee; Lion in Winter; FreeReign; A. Pole; wildandcrazyrussian; Poohbah; Dan Evans; jb6; ...

""Gee, why didn't' the Kerryites think of that? After all, early exit polls in the U.S. showed the Democratic candidate as the putative winner: on election day in the U.S., rumors of Kerry's imminent victory were spurred by (possibly biased?) reporting based on the preliminary numbers that were coming in. According to the "logic" employed by Yushchenko and his Western supporters – including the EU, the OSCE, and U.S. government officials (and the White House) – this means Kerry is the actual winner of the November election, and a usurper sits in the Oval Office.""


141 posted on 11/23/2004 10:24:51 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: hedgetrimmer
That was on September 15. Well there apparently is going to be a NEW guy running the show in Ukraine now and he is looking toward the EU and NOT to Russia.

The EU& Soros helped him win and he will not bite his master's knarled claw, pointed tail or craven hoof.

142 posted on 11/23/2004 10:30:58 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: wagglebee

"The result was obvious: Exit polls (more accurate in Ukraine than when our own TV networks do them) showed Yushchenko winning by more than 10 points. But the final results announced by the government, which supported Yanukovich, showed a small margin in favor of the Russian-backed candidate. "

Ya know, this sounds just like the DU when talking about Nov 2. We need a little more to go on than big protests and exit polls.


143 posted on 11/23/2004 10:54:36 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Destro

Yeah, that's what I thought when I read it. :P


144 posted on 11/23/2004 10:58:10 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: wagglebee
Can't resist posting this picture again and again...
Victor Yushchenko, the pro-western candidate
145 posted on 11/24/2004 3:49:43 AM PST by bgarid
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To: wagglebee

Russia would love to turn the Commonwealth Of Independent States into a Slavic United States. Belarus wants to rejoin Mother Russia. With sufficient inducements, Russia hopes to persuade Ukraine to do the same.


146 posted on 11/24/2004 3:57:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

The split is religious as well as linguistic. The East is overwhelmingly Russian Orthodox; the West is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic. So there are tensions that go back centuries to the conflict between Byzantine Orthodox missionaries and those of the Catholic Church in Slavic lands. Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary and the western part of the Ukraine became Catholic - the rest of Eastern Europe and Russia became Orthodox.


147 posted on 11/24/2004 4:02:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GOP_1900AD; Lion in Winter; hchutch
I don't take kindly to threats of being unfairly accused of supporting terrorism by someone who, if they are REALLY an Ex Marine living in Cupertino, ought to know better. But maybe he is REALLY an SVR agent, bent on the destruction of the USA and the West. All the better if he can get some real US Patriots, who despise not only the Terrorists, but all other anti Western forces, sent to GITMO. I spit on him.

Dude, you need to take an extra-strength chill pill. I realize that you are, at heart, a totalitarian who is unable to handle dissent, but you've managed to elevate mere opposition to your treasonous agenda of imposing an authoritarian government on the United States into proof of...treason. That kind of goofy thinking is best left to the Democrats.

Actually, I don't think you to be treasonous. I just consider you to be a liberal troll who's trying to pass himself off as a conservative, but only manages to look like a caricature of one.

148 posted on 11/24/2004 4:41:42 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: FreedomSurge; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ..
Remind me. Don't the Catholic areas of Ukraine have strong ties to Poland?

Yes and no. The ones with the Polish ethnic population were the most Polish parts of Poland. But the ones with the Catholic Ukrainian population (primarily Uniates or Greek Catholics) were the hotbeds of Ukrainian nationalism - anti-Polish, pro-German/pro-Austrian, anti-Russian (in that order).

In the last generation Ukrainian nationalism of this variety spread from the west toward the center of Ukraine. Still the center being primarily Orthodox and so tied by the history and religion with Moscow remains less nationalistic. The east follow old Ukrainian way which is to be close to Russia.

Present rise of the pro-Western activists is an expression of the EU attraction. Many young Ukrainians dream about affluence of Western Europe and Soros related inspiration guides them into Serbia/Georgia "otpor" style "liberation".

The old guard derived from the Soviet time bureaucracy is in defensive and turmoil. It either tries to appease/please West (that is why despite the previous election promises Kuchma/Yanukovich did not restore the Russian language to the official position) or tries to lean on the new Russian leadership (Putin feels happy to oblige). But for the second option pro-Russian moods would have to be stronger (at least 2/3 of population instead of present 50-45%) and Soros style Western pressure weaker.

It is fascinating to watch the estetics/appearance/mechanics of the Serbia/Georgia method of elite replacement. Sleek methods of crowd psychology are being used, the excitement of the new beginnings, colorful logos, catchy inane slogans, gestures, hypnotic repetitions by the media. Truly something from the Brave New World or the foretaste of Antichrist.

149 posted on 11/24/2004 4:59:50 AM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: Allan
Russian chauvinist speaking. Come here to Canada and say that to my Ukrainian relatives if you would like to have your face remodelled. Calling a Ukrainian a Russian is worse than calling a Scotsman English or calling a Croat a Serb.

You need to remember that Ukrainian emigrees from WWII, prominent in Canada are not typical Ukraninians. Many of them come from Lwow (Lvov) area and were engaged in very specific type of politics. Center and especially east of Ukraine is VERY, VERY different.

And do not fool yourself - the present honeymoon of Galicia (Lvov) nationalists with the powers of Sorosian "otpor" will get sour sooner or later. Look at Serbia and Georgia.

150 posted on 11/24/2004 5:21:47 AM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: Lion in Winter

If you don't know what you are replying to, don't.

Sorry for the moron comment. I was testy.


151 posted on 11/24/2004 5:28:33 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Allan

Ukraine is to Russian as Dutch is to German.

Maybe at the extremities (L'viv vs. Ahrkangelsk and Amsterdam vs. Vienna) some difference can be discerned, but where the two meet they are indistinguishable.


152 posted on 11/24/2004 5:31:09 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Destro
Dick Morris: Those faulty exit polls were sabotage So - should Kerry declare himself the winner and march on Washington?

I think I follow your logic. All exit polls are either crooked or they are honest -- but you can't have one that is true and another that is false. Is that your reasoning?

153 posted on 11/24/2004 5:36:38 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Destro
So - should Kerry declare himself the winner and march on Washington?

Otpor is not strong enough here. Not yet. Do not miss it:

Velvet Revolution, USA .

154 posted on 11/24/2004 5:37:03 AM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: wagglebee
Who Lost the Ukraine?

Newman did.

To Kramer.

155 posted on 11/24/2004 5:38:44 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: bgarid
Victor Yushchenko, the pro-western candidate

Yuk! He looks like a character from That Hideous Strength by CS Lewis. A must read!!! You can read more reviews and purchase it at Amazon.com: Books: THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH

156 posted on 11/24/2004 5:42:18 AM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: TapTheSource

Interesting. Thank you for posting.


157 posted on 11/24/2004 6:13:39 AM PST by twigs
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Problem is od boy that when you cannot see properly... you are not alawys able to be absolutely certain what you just read. Anyway, apology for the moron comment accepted by a half blind old coot.


158 posted on 11/24/2004 6:26:12 AM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: wagglebee
Exit polls (more accurate in Ukraine than when our own TV networks do them)

I wish Morris would tell us why exit polls in Ukraine are more accurate there than here.

My gut reaction, from what I've heard from Ukrainians, is that Morris it right and that Yushchenko is the rightful winner. But I'd like to see some harder evidence than exit polls. (E.g., show the mechanics of how Putin stole the election -- if he did.)

159 posted on 11/24/2004 6:44:09 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: bgarid

Good heavens, he looks like he's had smallpox. Some post last night was linking the way his skin is to a poisoning incident in September. And we thought our elections were stressful.....

Prairie


160 posted on 11/24/2004 6:46:58 AM PST by prairiebreeze (We will not deny, ignore or pass our problems along to other Presidents. ---GWBush)
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