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OP-ED COLUMNIST - Shhh, Don't Say 'Poverty' [Bob Herbert Hates America]
New York Times ^ | November 22, 2004 | BOB HERBERT

Posted on 11/22/2004 5:48:16 AM PST by 68skylark

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To: Beelzebubba
New Reality TV series: "Poverty Princes"

Really cool idea. It really matters where you "dump" the person for starters. Playing the game in NYC is a whole other story from playing it in St. Louis.

In real life, though, very few people start out literally with *nothing.* People in high school can start working when they're 16 (if they can stay off drugs, keep their jeans zipped, and get up in the morning.) That gives them two years to save money. Even if they only save $500, that's enough to get them moved in to a cheap and humble living situation.

Besides, people who are truly *that* poor in real life are eligible for a *host* of bennies our kids aren't - like free college, grants, low-cost loans, etc.

But the game does sound like a good idea. Those who spend the least money are going to win - and it takes some skill to know how to do that. What it comes down to is culture. It always does.

61 posted on 11/22/2004 12:28:23 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: Beelzebubba
Utter nonsense. $6/hour requires a roommate, not living in a trendy city, buying second hand clothes, and living near the busline.

It can also mean living at home with your parents for a few years while saving money.

It depends on the city, of course. In a medium or low cost of living city like St. Louis, Cleveland, Kansas City, etc. it is eminently do-able.

62 posted on 11/22/2004 12:29:51 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: The_Victor
I like the idea of dangerous carnivores in pajamas (well maybe Hobbes wasn't particularly dangerous, but as a tiger...), sound to me like the perfect description of Free Republic.

Remember what Hobbes said to Calvin:
"Don't take it so hard. Humans provide some very important protein."

63 posted on 11/22/2004 4:47:37 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 68skylark
Former Senator Phil Gramm, a Republican from Texas who was known for his orneriness, once said, "We're the only nation in the world where all our poor people are fat."

I recall Dinesh D'Sousa's book "Letters to a Young Republican" where he mentions a very similar statement. D'Sousa attributes it to someone from his country of India remarking to him in a letter why he wanted to come to America; because he always wanted to see fat poor people.

I'd be curious to see which was attributed first.

64 posted on 11/22/2004 5:37:59 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: 68skylark

Poverty statistics are a sham. What qualifies as "poor" in the USA is considered solidly middle class in Europe, and wealthy in many other parts of the world. Nobody starves to death in the USA, except in cases of extreme parental neglect.

On a side note, whose responsibility is it to help the poor? If they truly can't help themselves, private charities are infinitely better equipped to address the problem than the public sector. Certainly the trillions of dollars thrown at the problem by the government have yielded little tangible result. As P.J. O'Rourke might say "It's the wrong tool for the job. You're trying to fix my wristwatch with a ball-pein hammer."


65 posted on 11/23/2004 8:56:26 AM PST by steamboat (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...)
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To: steamboat
I agree with you. If you define "poverty" as the bottom 25% or 33% of the world (or even the bottom 50%), then "poverty" has been wiped out in this country completely. Statements like "the poor will always be with us" are wrong. The cure is liberty, and free markets, and good limited government -- everything liberals hate and want to tear apart.
66 posted on 11/23/2004 3:39:23 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Exactly - and why thinking people on the left can't see the obvious correlations really frustrates me. If you line up a list that ranks the countries on this planet by their level of economic freedom and lowest tax burdens, there is almost a direct one-to-one correlation with a list that ranks countries by highest standard of living and lowest poverty rates.

Just look at Ireland. Almost immediately after instituting true free market reforms and massive tax relief it has become one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and their poverty rate is dropping exactly as you'd expect.

Or to go even further back, just look at the controlled scienific experiments of East and West Germany, or North and South Korea. What wonders the benevolence of "the state" has wrought...


67 posted on 11/24/2004 7:53:08 AM PST by steamboat (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...)
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To: steamboat
Yeah. And to your list of good examples, we could add the pilgrims of North America. They went from starvation to plenty in just a year or two after adopting sound free-market attitudes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287451/posts

I don't know why the left hates freedom and prosperity so much. (Well, I got a few hunches.) I'm just thankful that 51% of the voters don't seem to agree with them -- for now.

68 posted on 11/24/2004 8:04:09 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

That really is amazing. I had never heard that version of Pilgrim history. Learn something new every day on Free Republic...


69 posted on 11/24/2004 8:47:31 AM PST by steamboat (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...)
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