Posted on 11/21/2004 11:45:29 AM PST by TapTheSource
The delivery of the Kidds has been pushed 2 years ahead because of the whole China-EU thing that's been going around and China's modernization.
The Kidds can be arguably called inferior to China's new generation of warships like the Type-052B & C and the new Sovremenny class destroyers being completed in Russia.The new Sovremennys are have more reduced RCS & have vertically launched SAMs & SSMs,unlike the rather ugly 2 currently in PLAN service.
We can make mainland China explode into a revolution at a time of our choosing. Stroke of a pen, as you say - trade sanctions. Too many people in mainland China know too much to be sent back to the farm...
"We can make mainland China explode into a revolution at a time of our choosing. Stroke of a pen, as you say - trade sanctions. Too many people in mainland China know too much to be sent back to the farm..."
We could only hope. I'd prefer a full scale civil war though. Something so vicious that both sides get desperate and end up expending China's entire nuclear/chemical/biological arsenal on each other, wiping out all free trader investments in the process.
"We can make mainland China explode into a revolution at a time of our choosing. Stroke of a pen, as you say - trade sanctions. Too many people in mainland China know too much to be sent back to the farm..."
We could only hope. I'd prefer a full scale civil war though. Something so vicious that both sides get desperate and end up expending China's entire nuclear/chemical/biological arsenal on each other, wiping out all free trader investments in the process.
North Korea canot be trusted, Kim Jong Il is a brat who has never shown any restraint, from kidnapping and actress, blowing up airliners, bombings, assassinations. We should never tolerate their being in a position to fire an ICBM, if we see preparations for a test launch we should send in cruise missiles. If they want to escalate, then we escalate all the way. No need to wipe out the entire population, but Pyongyang should be annihilated. he has about 200,000 people in forced labor camps, they can be the core of a new state. They will be ruthless in wiping out the communists, like the Kurds in Iraq would be if we let them go after Baathists, like in Mosul.
I don't think directly lifting systems from SSNs to SSKs has been an exact success.For eg,the Australian Swedish built Collins class subs used an American combat system(derivative of the one on LA class boats)-but soon after commisioning,the boats experienced severe problems as the combat system had the same power requirement as an SSN.The whole series was then subjected to an upgrade where their weapon systems were tweaked ,barely 4 years after entering service.Sonar systems could also have the same issues.The Question is whether the US is willing to risk a big investment for just one country's sake-remember the USN has no plans for anything other than N-boats.Israel won't need new subs for another 20 years(if they do get 2 more German boats) & most American allies like South Korea,Australia,Singapore etc have all recently brought subs or built them under license.So the issue of long term cost is important.
Diesel engines are not exactly a big factor on such boats,but their batteries are & the Russian & German batteries are damn quiet.The conventional D/E boat is close to being obsolete with the arrival of AIP-air independent propulsion.In this a sub uses an alternative power source like fuel cells or liquid oxygen for vastly improved underwater operations.Germany,Sweden,France & Russia have all unveiled different AIP systems.Germany's new Type-212/214 class boats can stay under for nearly 4 weeks ,while AIP equipped Kilos can do about 15+days.A conventional Kilo could barely manage 2 days.In a constrained location like the Taiwan straits & South China Sea & the possibility of any Sino-Taiwanese conflict being short, AIP equipped subs become vital.China is acquiring 6 brand new Kilo class subs all equipped with AIP & sub launched cruise missiles.
Australia's Collins class boats are of Swedish design & were built under license by the Australian Submarine corporation.
"No need to wipe out the entire population, but Pyongyang should be annihilated. he has about 200,000 people in forced labor camps, they can be the core of a new state. They will be ruthless in wiping out the communists, like the Kurds in Iraq would be if we let them go after Baathists, like in Mosul."
I think the population has been too far reduced to sheeple to be of use to themselves or anyone. It would remain a starving nation of welfare recipients. Might as well start from scratch and gain ourselves some real estate. Then China and S. Korea can put in bids for territory. Make some good money. I'm not worried about the deaths of millions of athiests, they're all going to hell anyway so might as well just send them there sooner.
5.56mm
Jeff
I think most American bombers including the B-1B & B-2 have been tested with the carriage of Harpoon anti-ship missiles.Moreover, stand-off weapons like the JASSM & the SLAM-ER(of the USN) have a good residual anti-ship capability(somewhat inferior to the Harpoon).These could easily deploy from Guam or even Pearl Harbour ,if not bases in Japan to the Taiwan straits.If a concentrated attack is launched,China's fleet won't have a real chance.But I must add that a subsonic missile like the Harpoon carries a rather small warhead & generates lesser kinetic energy,so the force on impacting a target is usually not great to sink it with one weapon.The same cannot be said of China's SSN-22 Sunburn or it's brand-new Klub cruise missile.Their level of ECCM may not be great when compared to the Harpoon,but their supersonic speed enables them to generate massive KE,causing greater damage at impact.While American ships could technically shoot down these weapons or worse take a hit,Taiwanese ships don't exactly have this luxury.
"The same cannot be said of China's SSN-22 Sunburn or it's brand-new Klub cruise missile.Their level of ECCM may not be great when compared to the Harpoon,but their supersonic speed enables them to generate massive KE,causing greater damage at impact."
As well as giving our Aegis ships less time to effect a defense. If the speed of your enemy's missiles double, then you can only launch half as many SAMs before they reach you.
We owe this huge build-up to Clinton's treachery and to Wal-Mart et al who buy most of their junk for good old US $$ placed on purpose in Chicom hands. What will we do when they eliminate Taiwan permanently and threaten us with multiple atomic warheads mounted on intercontinental ballistic missiles or launched from atomic subs off the coast of California? What will we do? They already said they don't care if we A bomb them. They have four times more people than we do and feel they would survive while we would not live through their pre-emptive A bomb attack. What a nervous thought!
The only defensive A weapons are in our hands, not in those of the Japanese and certainly not under Korean control. To put nukes into Taiwan would be the last straw that would break Chicom restraint and war would result. Massive tariffs on Chicom goods would hasten, not deter, Chinese attacks upon us. That's just what triggered the Japanese attacks in the whole Pacific rim in 1941. We cut off their supplies of oil and steel and bam! here came Pearl Harbor and four years of war.
From the standpoint of taking down the world's largest totalitarian state - TRUE.
It will come in our lifetime, and the sooner the better.
The longer we wait, the stronger they get, and the weaker we get.
I just hope Walmart has contingency plans to procure all the neat cheap stuff
we've all grown to require in our pursuit of happiness.
Uh, excuse me. The 'one China policy' has been the policy since Nixon. This administrations only change is that it has been far less ambiguous about our defending Taiwan if it were invaded.
"It will come in our lifetime, and the sooner the better.
The longer we wait, the stronger they get, and the weaker we get."
True. As nasty as it would be, if there is going to be war, better sooner than later.
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