Posted on 11/20/2004 4:18:50 PM PST by filly
Listen to Tammy Bruce Show live over the web.
I dont need to rad any book of hers to condemn her immorality and homosexuality.
The only book I need to read is the Bible.
And THAT is why you are offended, apparently.
When my time comes to pass through this vale of tears, I sure as hell hope that you are not the judge.
I get the impression that if you were the judge, you would be alone in Heaven.
Sorry but no. From her website
she was the first openly gay woman in the country
She is not conservative. Republican probably but as evidenced how the Republican party has gone the past 5-10 years, that doesn't mean she's conservative. Far from it. She may hold a some views that are popular with fiscal conservatives (some Democrats are more fiscally conservative than the Republican party today) but her lifestyle is evidence she should hold no weight with social conservatives
Tammy Bruce has a great show, she has seen the left and the BS they pull and made an intelligent decision to change her ways.
Lesbian? Who the hell cares? Its her life, she is entitled to live it as she chooses.
Posts like that only serve to make conservatives look like the nuts that the left define us as.
Don't like her? Change the station, don't listen, I don't listen to Rush, because I don't need to take the advice of a 3 time divorced drug addict who wants to tell me about morality. Tammy is a lesbian, not in your face, nor does she impose her beliefs on you. I'll just listen to more Tammy, and less of you. And you can ignore me and turn her off, and everyone will have a choice, and be happy!
I think TB is one of the best voices we have against the left, because she used to be there.
As she says, "It's not WHO is right, but WHAT is right." Her two books are full of common sense and support for right versus wrong. She is also a good friend and mutual supporter of Dr. Laura.
No, Zappa Fa, people who embrace whoever is sounding conservative are only serving to bring us down, culturally and morally.
And THAT is why when someone calls for a return to morality, the youngest among us have no clue what we just said.
Because we have embraced som degenerate just because he calls for lower taxes or gun freedoms, and we call it ok, no matter if the pesonis an immoral degenerate or not.
I am not theodd one here when it comes to right and wrong, it is the rest of oyu.
Embracing an open SODOMITE just because she espouses 2nd ammendment rights/lower taxes/War On Terror only means you just embraced a SODOMITE, not the comments she just made.
And the fact that you cant see tha is only a symptom of the problem.
When a clearly immoral person is a LEADER in telling us what is right and what is wrong, then we no longer have moral leaders, we have become Sodom and Gomorrah.
do you judge rightly? or do you judge without knowing the facts?
Get real, you are hyperventilating.
You are just afraid, because you share the same politics as here, and you can't handle that.
Rigid thinking gets you into trouble when you need a bit of flexibility...
Oh, and putting words into CAPITALS only makes the point that you are raving and not adding anything to intelligent discourse...
I agree. I think that Tammy is still going through a transformation. I think her father left her and her mother when she was very small. That may have alot to do with who she has is. I have learned alot from her shows. She is blunt and honest. I look for her to become a Christian one day and work against abortion. I pray that will happen.
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"who she is."
No, it is just that Conservitism seems to now only be concerned with the initials in front of the name instead of the character of the person using that initial, and the repeated defense of a lesbian just because she calls herself a conservative only proves I am correct.
Well, you don't speak for all conservatism, you don't speak to my conservatism.
I don't care that she is a lesbian, its her life and its not my place to judge, or stick my nose into her affairs, nor would I want to be judged by someone else. I think you would rather have conservatism be about morality and religion, no thanks.
If you are supporting a lesbian then dont ever tell me you are a conservative, you are a liberal.
Without knowing the facts?
It is her own public behaviour that we have been speakng of here, and you claim I am speaking without facts?
She is a public lesbian, she is a public abortion supporter, and people who endorse these things are actively promoting sin and perversion and maybe even child killing, and you have the idea that I am judging without facts or judging wrongly??
And for ANYONE to publically say that we MUST endorse her because she also believes in lower taxes or the 2nd ammendment, that means the Christian who knows enough to avoid the wickedness of her perversions is wrong???
...and people wonder what is wwrong with the Church today...when professing believers cant tell right from wrong from someone's public statements...
The Importance of Doctrine
and
The True Biblical Concept of Love
As believers we are often guilty of quibbling over foolish questions and arguments which can only engender strife rather than godly edifying which is by faith (see 1 Timothy 1:4; 6:3-4; 2 Timothy 2:23; Titus 3:9; Philippians 2:14). Our desire should always be to build up and edify our fellow believers in the Lord (1 Corinthians 14:26; 8: 1; etc.).
On the other hand, the above cartoon seems to imply the following attitude: "It doesn’t matter so much what you believe as long as you ‘love’ one another. The following quotation is taken from the same issue (Worldwide Impact, a Campus Crusade for Christ publication, May 1972) in which the above cartoon appeared:
We are to put aside the peripheral issues (that is, doctrinal issues) that divide us .... Men are reminded that the real issue is Jesus Christ, and that we are to love one another even if we do not agree theologically or philosophically (or doctrinally). I encourage you to apply this principle of LOVE and acceptance with all of your Christian friends, and help make Christ the real issue [emphasis and parentheses are mine].
This philosophy could perhaps be restated as follows: "It is sinful to divide the body of Christ on earth by separating ourselves from any Christian over any doctrinal or ecclesiastical issue. The mark of true orthodoxy is love, not doctrine. Therefore, if we truly love one another, we will not allow doctrines or ordinances to divide us . . . To win the world for Christ, we must bury our differences and proclaim the essential core of the gospel in a positive way."
Let us now test this philosophy by the Word of God (see 1 Thess. 5:21):
What place did the Lord give to teaching (doctrine) in the Great Commission as given in Matthew 28:19-20? What exactly was to be the content of their teaching? Were they to be teaching only "essential" doctrines?
Why was the early church unified and healthy (Acts 2:42)? Did they consider doctrine important? Remember, we must never have unity at the expense of truth.
Did the Apostle Paul carry on a ministry of total indoctrination (Acts 20:26-31) or did he seek to avoid "offensive" doctrines?
Consider this statement: "We are to put aside the PERIPHERAL ISSUES that divide us." Does the Bible contain any peripheral issues? Are there any nonessential doctrines in God’s Word? Is there any part of God’s Word that should not be boldly proclaimed (Acts 20:27)? We are to conform our lives to how much of God’s Word (Matthew 4:4)? Do we have the right to judge which parts of the Bible are important and which parts are not? According to 2 Timothy 3:16-17 how much of God’s Word is important and profitable for the believer?
Consider again the cartoon at the beginning of this article. The Thessalonian believers were confused concerning the removal (rapture) of the church and the coming day of wrath—see 1 Thess. 4:13; 5:1-2; 2 Thess. 2:1-5. If these are not important matters, then why did the Lord direct Paul to write these letters? If these are merely "peripheral issues," then why did Paul take the time to teach the Thessalonian believers concerning these doctrines (see 2 Thess. 2:3-5 and note especially verse 5)? What was Paul’s desire for these believers? Did he want them to be ignorant concerning these matters (see 1 Thess. 4:13)?
Was the Lord Jesus tolerant towards the Sadducees who differed from Him doctrinally concerning the resurrection (see Matt. 22:23-33 and note verse 29)? What was it that astonished the multitude (Matt. 22:33; cf. Matt. 7:28-29)?
What is the characteristic of a true disciple (John 8:31-32)? When believers harmonize together according to truth, what effect will this have upon the world (John 13:35; 17:23)?
How do we manifest and demonstrate our love for the Lord Jesus (John 14:21-24; 15:9-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 5:2-3 etc.)? How can a pastor demonstrate that he truly loves the Master (John 21:15-17; 1 Pet. 5:2; Acts 20:28)?
Is God concerned about doctrinal purity (Tit. 2:7; 1 Tim. 1:3)? Should we be concerned when men deviate from sound doctrine (1 Tim. 6:3-5; 2 Tim. 2:16-18)? How are we told to "convict the gainsayers" (Tit. 1:9)? Why should we reprove certain men sharply (Tit. 1:13)? What should be the measure of our speaking (Tit. 2:1)? What does Christ think of false doctrine in the church (Revelation 2:14-16)?
Why did Christ give certain gifted men to the local church (Eph. 4:11-12)? According to Ephesians 4:11-16 how is true Christian unity (Eph. 4:1-6) achieved and enjoyed? What is the great danger of neglecting doctrine (Eph. 4:14)? What is the relationship between truth and love (Eph. 4:15)? Consider carefully the unity of believers as described by Christ in John 17:22. Is there any doctrinal disagreement between God the Father and God the Son?
If we truly love our fellow believers will we warn them about false doctrine and false teachers (Acts 20:29-31; Phil. 3:2; Col. 1:28; and see the example of Christ--Matt- 7:15-20; 16:6-12; 24:4-5; Luke 12:1,15)? If we truly love someone, will we exercise proper discipline (Heb. 12:6; Rev. 3:19; 2 Thess. 3:5-6,14-15)?
According to the example of our Lord Jesus, if we truly love someone, will we tell them what they need to hear even if it offends and hurts them (Mark 10:21)? Can love and hate co-exist at the same time (Hebrews 1:9)? Was the Apostle Paul manifesting love when he wrote Galatians 1:8-9? What does love rejoice in (1 Cor. 13:6)? How should our love abound (Phil. 1:9-10)?
If we really love people is it possible to reprove and rebuke them (2 Tim. 4:2)? Why do people turn to false teachers (2 Tim. 4:3)? When you reject the truth, what’s left (2 Tim. 4:4)?
Did John, the Apostle of Love, minimize the importance of truth and doctrine (2 John verses 1-9)? How did John love Gaius (3 John 1)? What was John’s greatest joy (3 John verses 3 and 4)? For what should we earnestly contend (Jude 3)? How are we to love (1 John 3:18)?
Read Revelation 22:18-19 and compare Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32 and Proverbs 30:6. IS DOCTRINE IMPORTANT?
[I am greatly indebted to Dr. John C. Whitcomb for some of the material used in this paper]
CONCLUSION
Doctrine is extremely important. Biblical love never minimizes the importance of Bible doctrine. If we truly love a person then we will desire that person to be totally indoctrinated in the truth of God from Genesis to Revelation, including every jot and tittle of God’s precious Revelation. True unity can never come at the expense of truth. In fact, true unity is only realized and enjoyed as believers harmonize together and function according to truth (Ephesians 4:11-16). The only basis for the enjoyment of true Christian unity (Ephesians 4:1-6) is a COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF AND OBEDIENCE TO THE WORD OF GOD. The ones who are hindering the cause of Christian unity are those who refuse to stand faithfully and obediently upon the written Word of God. When doctrine becomes the issue, truth must prevail!
At this point you should be able to Biblically evaluate the position as illustrated and presented at the beginning of this paper. "Prove all things (test by the Word of God), hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
I know lots of lesbians, some very high up in government, very high. Yep I'm a conservative, it is not my business to care about their orientation. I am a non religious conservative, I am not out to save my fellow man, nor do I want someone saving me.
Don't go calling me a liberal Race, you don't know me, when you paint with a broad brush, you don't get a pretty picture. I think your view of the world is pretty simplistic, too bad for you.
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