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To: investigateworld
Hydrogen is unique in the sense that at ordinary temperatures it can act like either an oxidizing agent (oxygen, chlorine, fluorine, etc) or a reducing agent (a metal). In most of the uses envisioned for hydrogen, it's reduced by oxygen to form water.

Here's the deal: free hydrogen (H2) is reduced relatively by easily by O2 producing energy and water, so if there were any free hydrogen on earth, we could reduce it with oxygen which is readily available in the atmosphere. The problem is, there isn't any free hydrogen, because the earth's gravity is so weak and the mean free path of hydrogen (distance that hydrogen can zip around in the atmosphere without hitting any other molecules) is so long that all free hydrogen in the earth's atmosphere has already been reduced into water or hydrides in the earth's crust or has escaped into space.

That means that, yes, if you want to use hydrogen you have to produce it, which as you correctly surmised means it has to be made available through electrolysis. The energy for electrolysis has to come from existing energy sources. H2 is freed from oxygen, stored, and then recombined in a fuel cell with O2, releasing no more energy than that which was used to separate it in the first place.

That's why I say hydrogen isn't an energy source, but a storage medium. Given how dangerous hydrogen is to transport and store, it's not clear that it's superior to the methods already used. And for those concerned about such things (many people--of whom I am not one) water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

130 posted on 02/06/2006 9:05:56 PM PST by FredZarguna (<font color=black>For the </font><font color=gold>thumb</font>)
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To: FredZarguna
I suspect the current laws of physics say it can't happen, but I wonder if there is a catalyst which could separate H2 from O. Free energy, we could tell the Middle East to take a hike.
Thanks for making it simple for a old man!
131 posted on 02/06/2006 9:25:26 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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