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Did I say you were rude and crude? No. I just said I have seen very rude and crude support for porn on other threads.

There are two ways to get people to stop doing things that harm themselves AND others.

1. Punish them, which includes making acts which harm people including OTHERs, illegal.

2. Convince them one way or another that such acts are harmful - by reason and argument, and/or a change of heart.

Pornography up until a generation or so ago was illegal in most states and localities. The ACLU and associated leftists got the SCOTUS to bend to their will, and now porn shops are spread across this great nation like MacDonald's.

You think the men who wrote the Bill of Rights would clap and cheer at the ubiquitous spread of pornography and say, "Yesss! That's JUST what we had in mind when we wrote the Amendments!"

Or do you think they would be horrified to see what sick, miserable crap is foisted on people in the name of free speech?

P.S. You like putting people in boxes, apparently. You put me in a box that doesn't exactly fit.

Yes you did say rude and crude and no you cannot side step out of it. Your evasiveness just illustrates how exact my charge was. You are saying you see rude people, and we (the ones who are opposed to you fundamentalists dictating what can and cannot be seen and done by consenting adults) are the rude ones in your eyes. I agree that there are 2 ways to change the behavior. Either by force or by persuasion just like you said. So like I said earlier if you evangelicals think our culture is so horrible and immoral, why don't you go evangelize instead of trying to outsource that job to the legislative branch. When Jesus walked the earth did he go to Rome and try to have all the laws changed so people will be forced to fit into what he says is good and right? No he didn't, he loved, sacrificed, and died for what he believed in. Never once did he do what you are telling us to do. He changed hearts and empowered Christians with that ability. The fact that our culture is so depraved doesn't speak ill of the government or activist judges. It speaks ill of evangelicals Christians like yourself who have and still fail to see the obvious truth. And this putting you in boxes crap, well nice to see you can pull rhetorical crap out of your @$$.