For centuries communities have dictated what "can be done by consenting adults". That is because civilization is a fragile thing. License and depravity destroy it, which happens if they go unchecked.
Christians are part of this world. We are not a beleaguered sect in a hostile empire. We are the empire. So we must use the weapons available to us to fight evil. Did the righteous kings of the Old Testament tolerate Baal worship and confine themselves to preaching against it ? No. They tore down the sacred groves and high places and ran out the temple prostitutes. Elijah, a prophet so holy that he went straight to heaven, commanded the massacre of the Baal priests. In the early Christian communities were not the reprobate punished by expulsion ? Did not St Paul command the Corinthians to expel a member who was sleeping with his stepmother ? So obviously the early Christians used coercion among themselves to maintain and preserve holiness because "a little leaven ferments the whole lump".
You are on the wrong side. You should be on DU with the party of license and depravity sneering about "Jesusland".
Yes you did say rude and crude and no you cannot side step out of it.
I said that I have seen rude and crude supporters of porn on the porn threads. I don't remember seeing your name there, nor did I accuse you personally. Your words speak for themselves, anyway.
Your evasiveness just illustrates how exact my charge was. You are saying you see rude people, and we (the ones who are opposed to you fundamentalists dictating what can and cannot be seen and done by consenting adults) are the rude ones in your eyes.
I am not saying that anyone who I disagree with, or disagrees with me, is rude. I am not being evasive, just truthful. Also, could you explain what you mean by "fundatmentalist"?
I agree that there are 2 ways to change the behavior. Either by force or by persuasion just like you said.
FOr instance, rape should be stopped by force (make it illegal) and by suasion; teaching men and boys that rape is wrong. Both methods need to be used.
So like I said earlier if you evangelicals think our culture is so horrible and immoral, why don't you go evangelize instead of trying to outsource that job to the legislative branch.
What do you mean by "evangelical"? I think many who call themselves such on FR would not include me. I have nothing against people who are. You seem to be lumping anyone who understands the need for moral absolutes in one box.
Your comments about "outsourcing to the legislative branch" are pretty childish. Are you of the opinion that police forces and prosecuting attorneys are unnecessary? That legislatures should not pass any laws about sexual behavior or content?
When Jesus walked the earth did he go to Rome and try to have all the laws changed so people will be forced to fit into what he says is good and right? No he didn't, he loved, sacrificed, and died for what he believed in.
I think you're mixing up some things here. Am I saying I am like Jesus? Are people who consider rampant pornography bad acting as though they are prophets or saviors? Are you saying that no one has the right to discuss the topic of pornography?
Never once did he do what you are telling us to do. He changed hearts and empowered Christians with that ability.
Again, I am not Jesus, so what he did or would do aren't relevant here.
The fact that our culture is so depraved doesn't speak ill of the government or activist judges.
Well, according to many thoughtful people, activist judges and leftist government has helped the situation get where it is today. They are definitely PART of the equation.
It speaks ill of evangelicals Christians like yourself
See my above remarks. Actually there are many people such as religious Jews, Hindus, Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Buddhists and even atheists who agree with me.
who have and still fail to see the obvious truth.
And what would that obvious truth be again?
And this putting you in boxes crap, well nice to see you can pull rhetorical crap out of your @$$.
What were you saying about how I shouldn't falsely accuse you of being rude and crude?