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To: NJ_gent

"It's tough to say whether Americans would or wouldn't do those jobs when they never get the chance because Jose is ready and willing to do it for next to nothing, now isn't it?"

Jose is the one that's out there looking for work - The work is there and Joe Sixpack isn't.


92 posted on 11/19/2004 10:49:29 AM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: RS
Jose is the one that's out there looking for work - The work is there and Joe Sixpack isn't.

That's a wild oversimplification. Illegal aliens work for less than citizens and legal residents because their labor is illicit. Also, the true cost of their labor is hidden by taxpayer goodies for illegals like emergency room care, declines in property values in neighborhoods taken over by illegals, etc.

In addition, there are now cultural barriers to legal workers in industries that are taken over by illegals. It's not just that Joe 6 pack won't work.

103 posted on 11/19/2004 11:05:05 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: RS
"Jose is the one that's out there looking for work - The work is there and Joe Sixpack isn't."

Joe Sixpack can't work 12 hours for $20 and a sandwich. He's got a family to feed in a country where $20 doesn't fill the gas tank of an economy car, as opposed to Jose's family, which can probably live a few weeks on that kind of money. If Jose breaks his back, his earning potential is reduced from next to nothing to slightly less than next to nothing. If Joe Sixpack breaks his back during that 12-hour day, his earning potential drops far more substantially.

If Jose wants to work that badly, let him apply for a visa. Then he can stand outside Home Depot all he likes and I swear that I won't complain one bit. Why? Because we then know who he is, know where he's from, know whether he's a terrorist, know that he's paying taxes, know where he lives, and can ship his butt back to where he came from if he breaks our laws. Under this 'program', we're telling Jose that it's just fine with us that he breaks our laws. After all, if violating the sovereignty of our country doesn't bother us, why should anything else? We either enforce our laws or we don't.

Let me ask you this: How would it strike you if amnesty were given to anyone who's committed a crime that's never been solved uner the condition that they come forward and confess? Almost all the unsolved rapes, murders, robberies, and other crimes would be solved. Police who spend time on unsolved crimes could be put to use elsewhere. Some positions could possibly even be eliminated - saving the local governments money. All the families would have the piece of mind of finally knowing what actually happened. Missing persons could be located (as their abductors could come forward), and our prisons wouldn't become any more overcrowded than they already are. Many criminals take jobs that pay under-the-table to avoid getting caught. They could then come out of hiding and begin to pay taxes.

With all these benefits - many being the same as they are for illegal immigrant amnesty - would you support an amnesty for all criminals?
119 posted on 11/19/2004 11:22:50 AM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: RS
Jose is the one that's out there looking for work - The work is there and Joe Sixpack isn't.

The work is sometimes there. Jose has a lot of competition from other illegal aliens for those jobs he solicits by standing outside Home Depot, so he ends up working perhaps one or two days a week, but that's ok with him because he lives in a one bedroom apartment with 12 other illegal aliens, so his expenses are pretty low. Most Americans would find it very hard to get by working only one or two days a week.

122 posted on 11/19/2004 11:25:37 AM PST by usadave
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