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To: Independentamerican
It wisely stops short of amnesty by requiring immigrant workers to eventually return home

Then it's NOT an amnesty program like it has been breathlessly reported? Sounds like a plan to encourage those who are here illegally to make themselves known so that they can get work without being exploited, but also so that we can know who's here, and so that they can eventually become legal immigrants. It also sounds like there are some long needed reforms of the whole immigration process in this bill, which may include reducing or restricting immigration from countries known to sponsor terrorism, or allow the use of their country as a harbor for terrorists.

I think it deserves more looking into and less knee-jerk opposition.

69 posted on 11/19/2004 10:18:30 AM PST by SuziQ (W STILL the President)
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To: SuziQ

Do you honestly believe that folks who have already broken the law will voluntarily "eventually return home"? This is amnesty plain and simple it's ridiculous to try and spin it any other way.


71 posted on 11/19/2004 10:22:23 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: SuziQ
"Then it's NOT an amnesty program like it has been breathlessly reported?"

Not in Captain Insane-o's 29th Century dictionary. However, Merriam-Webster takes a different view.

Amnesty: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals

And just for good measure:

Pardon: 3 a : a release from the legal penalties of an offense b : an official warrant of remission of penalty

Now - what would happen if an illegal immigrant were caught right now? What would happen if this exact same illegal immigrant were caught following the enactment of this program into law?

Any which way you slice and dice it - it's amnesty plain and simple. Gub'mint doublespeek notwithstanding, it's amnesty, and it's wrong. Rewarding sovereignty-violating, law-breaking, border-breaking illegal immigrant criminals with rights to jobs and benefits while refusing to secure our borders in the middle of a war is stupid, idiotic, and wrong, and it's going to get a lot of good Americans killed.

Maybe people will pay attention when shopping malls, nightclubs, and buses start exploding at random. Maybe they'll pay attention when a city is leveled by a nuclear device and a few million Americans are dead. Who knows what it'll take - but eventually people will realize that we must secure our borders.
83 posted on 11/19/2004 10:40:37 AM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: SuziQ
Then it's NOT an amnesty program like it has been breathlessly reported?

It's an amnesty. It legalizes illegal aliens with at temporary status for a fee, and then provides them with opportunities to apply for permanent residence and eventual citizenship. This is exactly what the Reagan Amnesty did.

84 posted on 11/19/2004 10:40:52 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: SuziQ
Then it's NOT an amnesty program like it has been breathlessly reported? Sounds like a plan to encourage those who are here illegally to make themselves known so that they can get work without being exploited, but also so that we can know who's here, and so that they can eventually become legal immigrants.

Then it is an amnesty program.

111 posted on 11/19/2004 11:14:15 AM PST by usadave
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To: SuziQ
Sounds like a plan to encourage those who are here illegally to make themselves known so that they can get work without being exploited

BWHAHAHAHAAHAH. Without being exploited?

You think these contractors are going to start paying these illegals $25 per hour instead of the $9. per hour they are paying them now? You think that billion dollar corporation McDonalds is going to start paying them $12. per hour instead of 5 or 6?

Get real. This is nothing but amnesty and will attract and encourage millions more to pour into this country.

114 posted on 11/19/2004 11:19:15 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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