Right now the law is unenforcable because verification isn't mandatory. You do know this, don't you?
If a better check is used, they'll have to use better fake identification, or pay more of them off the books. It catches more and disuades more. It's likely a good idea, but it's not enough to have a large scale effect.
How do you know that until it's been tried?
On the other hand, legalizing illegal aliens has been tried on four previous occasions, and the result has always been more illegal aliens than at the outset. The Bush plan is more of what's failed in the past.
Why would they leave voluntarily when they have nothing to go back to. Leaving takes away their livlihood. I like Tancrendo's plan with te exception of requiring all illegals currently in the US to return home. I just don't think there's a realistic chance of it working with that stipulation.
Again, Tancredo's is the only guest worker oprogram that doesn't repeat the failed mistake of legalizing illegal aliens. We know that approach doesn't work, so why are you fired up to do it again?
Illegal aliens will leave because their previous employers will be less willing to keep them on, when there is an increased risk of prosecution and a legal source of inexpensive labor as an alternative.
Self deportation will work, the only question is how much, and what will need to be done to enhance the effect a few years down the road.
What kind of incentives can we offer for them to leave? The only thing we could really offer is a quick return as a guest worker, while barring them if we catch them here illegally.
Yes, that's it exactly.
On the other hand, the Bush plan rewards lawbreaking, with no guarantee that the very people who don't enforce the law now will enforce it in the future.
While you have only speculation about the possibility for success of self deportation, there is ample experience that the Bush plan will only encourage more illegal aliens.
Do you really think that tossing these people out with no concern for how it effects them will fly in the US?
Yes, it will absolutely fly, because they will be given ample warning to leave and a means of getting in line to enter legally.
The Bush plan rewards illegal aliens and gives them advantages over law abiding guest worker applicants. Do you really expect that to fly, especially knowing that legalizaing illegal aliens always always exacerbates the problem?
I have absolutely no objection to an effective program that encourages self-deportation. Show me a plan that offers illegal immigrants something that will convince them to self-deport, and I'll be happy to support it.
You've been shown.
Why do you prefer legalization, which is guaranteed to fail?
Point me to to information amnesty attempts that have failed in the past.
Perhaps I have more to learn on the subject.
However, the only way you'e going to get illegals to leave is if their jobs dry up here, and I don't see that happening.
Many of those companies would replace their workers with legal guest workers. However, there are companies that are more than willing to take advantage of those with few choices. Those would continue the employ the illegal aliens.