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To: untrained skeptic
I think Bush's plan is the only plan I've seen so far that has hopes of working.

I agree. These people are already here and working, so it's not like a sudden influx. As for the ones who are not working and have no intention of doing so (the criminal element, for the most part), they obviously aren't going to register. This means that we have some who are okay and have voluntarily registered and identified themselves because they are committed enough to know that it means a job. And then we have a much smaller pool of those who can be simply trucked back over the border when picked up.

Furthermore, this keeps the money flowing to Mexico, which has so far not been very cooperative because it relies on the income from its emigrants,regardless of their legal status. Keeping the money flowing legally would enable us to get more cooperation out of Mexico in dealing with the problem of illegal immigration, people smuggling, and non-Mexican immigration through Mexico.

Sitting around and fantasizing that all illegals will spontaneously vaporize if we just wish hard enough or that we will mount machine guns every two inches and blast them is no solution at all, although many people seem to think it is.

149 posted on 11/19/2004 12:04:14 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
"These people are already here and working, so it's not like a sudden influx. As for the ones who are not working and have no intention of doing so (the criminal element, for the most part)"

Ahh, the criminal element - as opposed to all the other illegal aliens who've violated the sovereign border of the United States and violated US laws by working here... Those are the non-criminal element, right? By the way, since signing your name and giving some personal history absolves you of criminal acts, where do I go to sign up for my amnesty if I decide to knock off a liquor store?
154 posted on 11/19/2004 12:11:27 PM PST by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: livius; untrained skeptic
I think Bush's plan is the only plan I've seen so far that has hopes of working.

I agree.

The Bush plan can't work because it rewards lawbreaking.

Do either of you object to Tom Tancredo's guest worker proposal?

160 posted on 11/19/2004 12:19:06 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: livius
Furthermore, this keeps the money flowing to Mexico, which has so far not been very cooperative because it relies on the income from its emigrants,regardless of their legal status. Keeping the money flowing legally would enable us to get more cooperation out of Mexico in dealing with the problem of illegal immigration, people smuggling, and non-Mexican immigration through Mexico.

Why is it up to the US taxpayers to foot the bills for mexico's illegals so they can then keep mexico's economy pumped up ???

Last I saw mexico ranked about 14th economically in the world out of more than 200 countries.

How *cooperative* do you think mexico's PRI party is going to be when they are *back* in power come 2006 ??......Keep in mind any *deals* made with Fox we have to *expect* the PRI to then honor (honor being their weakest link....they don't even *honor* their own citizens)

178 posted on 11/19/2004 12:50:18 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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