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NASA opens door to China on space
Houston Chronicle ^ | November 19, 2004 | MARK CARREAU and PATTY REINERT

Posted on 11/19/2004 1:03:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Beijing takes part in a workshop with 30 other countries

Long shunned as a player in U.S-led international space ventures, China has been admitted to talks with NASA about helping to accomplish President Bush's goals for exploring the moon and Mars.

With the blessing of the U.S. State Department, a Chinese delegate this week joined representatives from Russia, Japan, Canada and other foreign powers for a NASA-sponsored workshop on the unfolding space initiative.

China's involvement in the three-day workshop that ended Thursday was a small but highly visible breakthrough in relations with a potential to improve global security as well as advance space exploration, participants and outside experts said.

But they cautioned against reading too much into the session, which drew representatives from 30 countries. More talks are planned for early next year.

"This indicates a very cautious, small first step," said Joan Johnson-Freese, a national security specialist at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I., who monitors Chinese developments. "The fact we did invite and China did send someone is very good news, but I would not jump to the conclusion there will be a partnership."

In October 2003, the Chinese joined the United States and Russia as the only nations that have placed humans in space. They launched taikonaut Yang Liwei on a 21 1/2 -hour orbital mission. The feat was accompanied by reports that China wants to build its own space station and explore the moon.

Friction over several issues In spite of its growing economic might and emerging civil and military space programs, China has been excluded from the U.S.-led partnership in the International Space Station. The team includes Russia, the European space powers, Canada and Japan.

China, run by a communist government, was thwarted from attending the World Space Congress in 2002, though a high-ranking Chinese officials later toured NASA's Johnson Space Center.

China's human rights policies, the fate of Taiwan and several other gaping issues have created lasting friction between the nation and the United States.

Now, a collection of sometimes awkward mutual interests is the most visible factor that has brought the space-exploring countries closer, experts said. The interests include China's potential to stave off a nuclear threat to the world from North Korea, the steady loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China, and the space initiative, outlined by President Bush in January, that calls for an accelerated human and robotic exploration of the solar system.

Though often overlooked, the president's directive to enlist the participation of other nations in the strategy provided an opening, said Michael O'Brien, NASA's director of external relations. The space agency included China on a guest list that also encompassed Israel, South Korea, Australia and Ukraine.

"It was somewhat precedent-setting to have the Chinese there," said O'Brien, who nevertheless emphasized the tentative nature of the session in a teleconference with reporters.

Congress has not fully embraced Bush's space exploration strategy and its initial price tag of at least $95 billion, as estimated by the Congressional Budget Office. However, House and Senate negotiators are attempting to iron out differences over NASA funding this week.

Step seen as 'significant' A response to last year's accidental destruction of the Columbia space shuttle, the plan would replace NASA's aging shuttle fleet by the end of the decade. With a more capable craft, explorers would aim for the moon by 2020 and attempt missions to Mars as soon as 10 years afterward.

Quan Jing, a Chinese diplomat and visiting fellow at Washington's Brookings Institution, said an opportunity for China and the United States to collaborate in space would be "a very significant step forward for the two countries."

The United States and China also are working on better trade relations, and they cooperate in fighting terrorism, drug trafficking and money-laundering, he said.

In addition to its new manned spacecraft, China could make a range of potential contributions in space robotics and with its established ability to launch expendable rockets, experts said.

Bush plans to meet with the Chinese president, Hu Jintao, in South America this week. The two also met in Thailand shortly after China launched its first human into space. In an interview with Channel News Asia then, Bush said he made no pledge to cooperate in space, and added, "I hope they are able to make great discoveries in space, like we did."

Robert Walker, the former Republican lawmaker who regularly advises the White House on space issues, cast a potential alliance with China in a favorable light.

"If we can find a way to bring them into the international participation, it will give us some insights into their program that we don't now have," he said. "They have both launch capabilities and now human orbital capabilities, and that's a pretty sophisticated program."

Congressional reaction to a U.S.-Chinese space alliance would be cautious, Walker said. In 2001, some U.S. officials looked warily on space exploration cooperation between China and Russia.

"Clearly, certain of our technologies we don't want to share with foreign partners along the way, and I suspect the same is true of them," Walker said.

But the United States could work productively with China, as it has done with Russia, within limits on technology-sharing, he said.

Patty Reinert reported from Washington.

patty.reinert@chron.com

mark.carreau@chron.com


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KEYWORDS: china; exploration; mars; moon; napalminthemorning; nasa; space; stupid
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...Congress has not fully embraced Bush's space exploration strategy and its initial price tag of at least $95 billion, as estimated by the Congressional Budget Office. However, House and Senate negotiators are attempting to iron out differences over NASA funding this week. ...

This is a pulled from the blue, fabricated and meaningless number.

1 posted on 11/19/2004 1:03:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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When reporters or politicians discuss the manned space program they let all kinds of figures fly. They don't give the length of time involved - say 10, 20, etc years. They don't give NASA's budget or bemoan how it has been cut back. They don't tell the reader the small fraction of the federal budget appropriated for NASA or report why an increase has been requested. They don't mention or calculate with such verve the private sector impact, economic dynamics or scientific breakthroughs. They only throw out big numbers to extinguish any enthusiasm and progress.

An example:

Debate on Bush space plan has been loaded with falsehoods***The announcement of the new national space exploration plan has been accompanied by some sloppy journalism and even sloppier editorializing.

It has been common for various critics of the plan to establish unrealistic strawman arguments that they then demolish in order to try and discredit the plan rather than to debate its merits or shortcomings.

The most common and disingenuous tactic of the plan's opponents has been to claim that a mission to Mars would cost $1 trillion. But the reality is that the people who state this cannot find a single study that supports this figure. ...***

2 posted on 11/19/2004 1:21:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I believe that is endemic to the history of our space program; from the early secrecy till now.
3 posted on 11/19/2004 1:25:59 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
NASA opens door to China on space

Bad idea. When china breaks, it produces sharp edges. Who wants that in a weightless environment? They should stick to paper plates if you ask me.

4 posted on 11/19/2004 1:27:42 AM PST by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Compared to other government agencies NASA gives a pretty good return on the buck (It gets about the same amount of money that we flush down Puerto Rico every year). But that's relative, and there is still a huge amount of room for improvement.

The real problem is GWB never met government spending he didn't like, unless it wasn't enough.

5 posted on 11/19/2004 1:32:12 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Tall_Texan; CWOJackson; All

***...Besides China, other countries represented at the workshop were Argentina, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Hungary, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, Russia, South Korea, Spain, Ukraine and the United Kingdom. ...***

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6 posted on 11/19/2004 1:34:55 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Moonman62
White House draws line on NASA's 2005 budget - Bush vows veto for plans with too much or too little
7 posted on 11/19/2004 1:37:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That's an interesting group of nations; there are a few I wouldn't mind seeing us working together with for space exploration.

And good job with the quick responses.

8 posted on 11/19/2004 1:40:09 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

GWB's veto threats don't carry much weight. It should be rather easy to figure out why.


9 posted on 11/19/2004 1:43:49 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: CWOJackson
Yes.

It is an interesting group.

A space economy is beginning in earnest with Bush's space exploration initiative and these countries will want to be in on the ground floor.

Their cooperation and involvement will most certainly depend on their alliance and openness to U.S. leadership and goals.
10 posted on 11/19/2004 1:45:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I see we are using the same method that turned the space station into a very expensive, but useless project.


11 posted on 11/19/2004 1:45:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bingo. I already see a few nations on the list that haven't "earned" the right to participate.


12 posted on 11/19/2004 1:46:47 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Moonman62
Bush didn't invent station. He's trying to finish our obligation to our international partners while constructing an Earth-Moon "highway." Mining the Moon's resources is the ticket to giving us cheap access to exploration.

Unless of course, you want us to resist dynamism, like a gaggle of intelligent sitting ducks waiting for the asteroid hit that will wipe that smug balanced budget smile off our oh, so smart faces.
13 posted on 11/19/2004 1:57:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CWOJackson
Exactly.

Profits from a space economy is going to make their oil for food scam look like peanuts.

They may begin to see the wisdom of cracking down on terrorists.
14 posted on 11/19/2004 2:01:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Unless of course, you want us to resist dynamism, like a gaggle of intelligent sitting ducks waiting for the asteroid hit that will wipe that smug balanced budget smile off our oh, so smart faces.

If this weren't FR, I'd swear the above came from a hardcore Leftist.

15 posted on 11/19/2004 2:09:20 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Moonman62

Cut mandatory spending (that is "growing" big government) and expand discretionary spending (that is "growing" initiative, innovation and revenue).


16 posted on 11/19/2004 2:23:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Jeff Head; PhilDragoo; tallhappy

Washington seems to be obsessed with engaging China. So does WalMart. Meanwhile, MFN status (granted by Clinton) leaves us economically tied to the biggest fascist state on the planet. China might be using Islam as a vacuum cleaner for our bones and laughing behind our backs -- for all we know.


17 posted on 11/19/2004 3:07:19 AM PST by risk
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Moonman62
What happened to "Americans for a US space project." Something wrong with corning the marked on knowledge of space exploration?
18 posted on 11/19/2004 3:13:19 AM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: risk
Re: Islam as a vacuum cleaner

I'm sure Beijing is laughing. Even though China has an insecure western border, having the USA occupied gives plenty freedom of movement.
19 posted on 11/19/2004 3:17:13 AM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: endthematrix

The election happened.

Now we can continue progress on a lot of things, including the Space Exploration Initiative.


20 posted on 11/19/2004 3:18:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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