Putin: Russia Building Nuclear Weapon U.S. Won't Have

Keep your friends close & your enemies closer.

Cold war part 2.
Russia on our side this time...v.s. china NK & Iran.
only problem is, the other side probably won't hesitate to use them.

At last. Someone thinking out of a box :)

The only way to deter Chinese against starting war with Russia is have a 100% guarantee of Russia nuking them in first several hours.

As to building smarter missiles against missile defence systems... This is an ever-lasting competition. Like lock and thief :)

Yes, but Putin's a hero to some around here. Heck, most of them don't seem to be able to even remember Ronald Reagan. I think the ultimate was muttered by one of them the other day when they said we didn't when the cold war, the Soviet Union just tricked us into believing we did.

He's right! We don't have this one...

First, please learn the definition of communist, then read this:

TapTheSource/FearGodNotMen/GIJoel Propagadna

Propaganda	Truth
Putin is a communist	Putin has implemented a flat tax of 13%, got rid of the Sales tax, set the corporate tax at 24%, cut the VAT in half, cut 1/3rd off the payroll tax. He has cut back on government size (shrinking government). He has put up 20% of Russian land for sale, the government is in the process of divesting of the remainder of its shares in various companies. There has been judicial reform to a sitting jury from a triumpherate of judges. There has also been a total reform of the banking center, in order to make it transparent.
Russia and China are allied to destroy the US	Russia has recently passed up China for an oil export route and choosen instead Japan. China had to turn to Iran. Russia is rearming in Siberia, while she arms India with over 400 new tanks, a wing of new aircraft, two nuclear submarines and an aircraft carrier to intercept Chinese shipping. Russia has armed S.Korea with T-90s, armed Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Khazakstan. Russia has attempted (by itself and through the US) to arm Taiwan also. The majority of weapons sold to China are aimed at the US navy, to which China will not be able to catch up for at least another generation.
Russia trains with China to destroy the US/West	This year alone, Russia has had joint manuevers with Japan & S.Korea and then again with the US and UK off the Chinese Coast.
There is a Putin pandering mafia after me.	There is a dedicated group of Freepers who are out to expose this propagandist's lies and distortions, for which he has already been banned twice.
If you are against me you must be a (take your choice) A. communist, B. Putin lover, C. Russian Orthodox, D. Russian, E. Delusional, F. All of the Above	G. None of the Above. You must be a lover of truth and a hater of yellow journalism, empty conspiracy theories and plain propaganda.
The FSB/Russians are behind all the terrorism, including the theater and Beslan.	Only someone blind or shilling for Islam would on a continuous basis shift blame away from the terrorists and onto the victims.
Russia is giving Iran nukes.	Wrong. Russia is providing a civilian nuclear reactor with a contract to return spent rods. Do most of us agree with this? No, we are against this. Is this nuclear weapons technology? No. Our allie Pakistan with the assistance of our Most Valued Trading partner China are giving Iran missile and bomb technology.
Russia, and Putin in particular, hate Israel and wish to destroy it.	Wrong. Russia is Israel's second closest allie and trading partner and provides Israel with most of its oil and sells it weapons technology.
Putin is an Atheist, a hater of Christ.	Putin was baptized as a child, a regular church goer and has proven his faith on numerous occassions.
Russia supports Islamic terrorism.	Wrong. The Soviet Union supported socialist arab revolutionaries/terrorists like the Palistinian People's Liberation Front. Modern day Russia does not support these groups. Our allie Saudi Arabia is the number one backer of all major islamic groups.
Putin is a dictator	Putin was popularly elected with over 70% of the vote, a mandate. He functions within a constitution. True parlament is dominated by pro-Putin right wing parties, also elected freely. The various right parties received over 83% of the vote.
Putin hates Bush.	Putin has been Bush's loudest cheerleader, louder and in front of Sharon, Blair or Berlusconi
Putin is moving to grab power through selecting governors.	The governors still have to pass the local Oblast's parliment's review (that's province). Further, England, Italy and France all have the same systems.
Robert W. Lee another TapTheSource writers are credible.	Hardly, most like Mr. Lee, belong to the John Birch society, an organization steeped in conspiracy theories.
Yeltsin's declaration of open borders is a hollow one for Soviet citizens, who still cannot leave their country. Even travel outside the Soviet Union is heavily restricted, regardless of the Soviet republic	Typical propaganda leveled by TapTheSource or his articles. Anyone without a criminal warrent can leave at will, so long as the recieving nation will issue a Visa.
The Secret Soviets are still in charge and everything is part of their plan.	Lets take this lunacy to its full extent: The Soviets in their diabolic mysterious master plan allowed the Warsaw pact to collapse, the countries to open up and half of them to join NATO (I guess to corrupt NATO from within, regardless that it is those new NATO members that support America now and most of old NaTO that is against America, lets ignore that fact). They allowed the Soviet Union itself to fall apart, some of which is also now part of NATO. They allowed the military to degrade, trade secrets to be sold or stolen, Chinese immegrants to come in mass into southern Siberia. Most of their bases to shut down. The economy to dive and only grow again under Capitalism freer then America's. They further allowed the young to not even know who Lenin was, for islamics (who are all pawns of the Soviets, you see) to attack Russia on a daily basis. All this so that once America was the only apparent supper power, had its military in 120+ nations they could do what? Spring their surprise offensive? Materialize the great invasion army from outer space or outer Mongolia? Or marry enough American men to convert them (think body snatchers) into 5th Columnists and take over the US from inside? (of course that more people then ever voted Republican is also part of their master and evil plan). As a matter of fact, everything that happens that makes this theory look ludicrous for the past 15 years, well that's just part of the brilliance of their master plan. Oh and did we mention that they were obviously able to make Reagon, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. into a bunch of idiots who could not see into their plan. So either this is all BS, or every American expert in the government and politician is an idiot and we as a nation are a bunch of idiots (except for the members of the John Birth Society, the only masters of the illuminate able to see this grand Jewish .. erg .. Russian conspiracy.
Russia is a dirt poor country.	Russia ranks, according to the CIA World FactBook GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.282 trillion (2003 est.), which places it just behind (now ahead) of Italy, the world's 7th largest economy. Explaining Purchasing Power Parity
Anna Politkovskaya is a reputable Russian journalist who is fighting Putin's facism.	Hardly. Anna Politkovskaya is an opportunist and a leftist. Having become a "political" refugee in the early 1990s, she now has FRENCH citizenship, writes for the socialist La Monde and the socialist Novaye Gazeta. She has staged several of her own "assassination" attempts to better her street credits while meeting constantly with Chechin and Al Quida terrorists and writing gushing love stories of them. Further, anyone who thinks that just because she hates Putin she is pro Bush, you couldn't be more wrong. She is in league with the devil incarnate, Soros, and hates Bush as much. A leftist is a leftist, but judge for yourself and read her views of Bush and the CONSERVATIVES of AMERICA. COWBOY FRIENDS (Praise for Moore)
Russia is a nation that only relies on oil.	A total lie, mostly spread by Wahhabi islamic Saudi Arabia and various NeoCons who favor US investment to Facist (and pro-Islamic) China. Read here about the state of the Russian economy that is now returning as a major industrial and IT power. Russia competes directly with India on IT and has had manufacturing climbing at an incredible rate. Financ e Ministry to work on debt payment schedule Budget surplus higher than planned Person al incomes rise in Russia Most state enterprises to be privatized by 2007 Genera l Electric plans to invest $200m in Russia Person al incomes up in September Data on industrial production posted Russia 's foreign trade reported Gov ?t considering airfield privatizations Russia posts increase in industrial production Russia 's foreign debt reaches six year low Russia ?s debt to drop to 23% of GDP Russia leads in GDP growth Export s to play more important role in Russian economy

This is an ever growing list to bring the truth forward and fight the lies of these propagandists and Allah cheerleaders.

Correction: US, UK (maybe), Italy, Poland, Russia, Israel, India, Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan (if we hadn't back stabbed them) and Australia -vs- Canada, Germany, France, Spain, Iran, N.Korea, China, Belgium, with the hotwar battlefield in the Arab Lands, N. Africa, SE Asia.

This must come as sad news to all the Putin supporters around here. The Soviet threat is being reborn.

It drops leaflets warning of a nuclear strike 24 hours before the nukes go off.

According to this article, Russia is selling her old equipment, and building new......

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Russian Minister of Defense
Plans for a Smaller,
Highly-trained, Modern Army
Within a Decade

Mr. Lester W. Grau
Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, KS.

A version of this article appeared in

Armed Forces Journal
International

December 1996

General Igor Rodionov, the new
Russian Minister of Defense, recently
outlined his plans for a much smaller,
mobile, highly-trained, professional
army which will become a significant
force within ten years. To do so, the
Russian senior officer corps will be
cut, new force structures will be adopted, expanded arms exports will
provide funds for research and development, and the Russian Army
will try to avoid contingency operations which detract from reform,
restructuring and combat-readiness.

In a major interview with Moscow News,
General Rodionov laid out his vision for the
Russian Army in ten years. "We are talking
about creating a small, mobile, well-trained
army capable of carrying out its principal
assignment--deflecting or sustaining the first
blow."1 General Rodionov's predecessor,
General Pavel Grachev, preserved skeleton
divisions at the price of combat readiness. The
ill-trained, unpaid, starving army that stumbled
into and out of Chechnya was the result. Despite
much talk, General Grachev's military reforms
were without solid content, specific direction or
apparent implementation. General Rodionov is
going to slash the ground forces to twelve
combined-arms divisions which are deployable,
fightable and combat-ready. Since financial
constraints restrain the size of the ground forces, General Rodionov is
determined to rid the force of its hollow divisions and convert the few
that remain into a combat-ready, professional force that will serve
Russia and serve as a basis for expansion in time of crisis. In doing so,
General Rodionov is preparing Russia to fight her most-likely, if not
most-dangerous, future war. Rodionov's ground forces must be
affordable, deployable and expandable.

Affordable

General Rodionov plans to put his scarce financial assets into
paying, training and feeding his forces and he calculates that he can
adequately pay, train and feed only twelve divisions. He currently has
approximately 80 divisions, although many are little more than some
combat equipment and a flag. General Rodionov plans to push and
expand arms exports as a means of keeping the defense industry alive
and generating needed research and development funds. Integrated
cartels within the defense industry will concentrate on prototype
development. There will be few orders for new equipment from the
Russian Army in the immediate future.

Deployable

Historically, Russia has relied on a large ground
force to dominate the vast expanse of Eurasia.
Rodionov plans to substitute deployablity for a
permanent presence around the Russian periphery.
The earlier Russian MOD (Grachev-era) plan for
centrally-based mobile forces was based on airborne
forces. Rodionov is changing this concept to
combined arms divisions which are deployable. These
divisions will be air moveable, but not necessarily
airdroppable. Rodionov has just announced the
reduction of two of the five Russian airborne divisions
by December. Despite the howls of protest from the
Russian airborne community, Rodionov believes that
the days of the airborne division combat insertion are over. Mobility,
sustainability and combat power are the key components for future
Russian ground forces and airborne forces need to become combined
arms to meet the challenges of national defense.

Expandable

General Rodionov favors the establishment of a strong,
professional NCO Corps for the Russian Army. Most of the training,
discipline and performance difficulties of the Russian Army can be
traced to their reliance on conscript NCOs. Although this is an
expensive proposition, General Rodionov realizes that if a truly
professional NCO Corps can be developed in the Russian Army, the
potential for building an expandable force is realizable. If the NCO is
capable of assuming lower-level leadership positions, the current
force can be

designed for expansion where
platoons expand into companies,
companies into battalions, battalions
into brigades and brigades into
divisions. General Rodionov will
probably retain some division-sized
equipment bases to support an
expanding force. This concept worked
for the Reichswehr in the 1930s. With
modifications, it can work again if the challenge is to deliberately
expand over time to meet a vague danger as it grows into a real
military threat. The strong, competent NCO is the key.

The Force

What will Rodionov's
combined-arms divisions eventually
look like? First, there will be fewer
tanks. For the past ten years, a
debate on the future of the tank has
raged in the professional journals of
the Soviet and Russian Army. As
commander of the Soviet 40th Army
in Afghanistan, General Rodionov
saw that tanks had limited value on
that terrain. In Russia's most-likely
future wars, the terrain will probably
not support large armored formations.2 The armored division and
tank army are no longer affordable, particularly since the
formerly-dominant role of the tank has changed due to its vulnerability
to modern weapons. Second, these new divisions will have a larger
combat service and combat service support component. The
Soviet-style division designed for short, intense combat will be
replaced by a larger, sustainable division closer in concept to that of
western armies. Third, the maneuver regiments will be replaced by
maneuver brigades (although they might still be called regiments).
This follows an on-going force-structure evolution of at least twenty
years that Rodionov appears to endorse. The Russians feel that the
maneuver brigade structure is better designed to fight separately on
the non-linear battlefield of the future. Fourth, these divisions will be
tailored to meet their theater-specific missions and there will not be
one standard TO&E. The combined arms division may be primarily
mechanized, air assault, light infantry or mountain. It will be
deployable, which means airtransportable, but not necessarily
airdroppable. Fifth, the divisions will make do with equipment in the
current inventory for ten years. Funds from arms exports will keep the
defense industry alive and support research and development. In
order to keep up with the revolution in military affairs, the Russian
Army will modernize with precision-guided munitions and information
warfare systems as they can afford them.

Training and Combat Readiness

General Rodionov wants to pull the Russian Army out of
contingency missions and concentrate on national defense. Over the
past seven years, the army withdrew from the Afghanistan stalemate
and deployed to Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia,
Abkhazia, Ossetia, Azerbaidjan, Turkmenistan, Armenia and
Chechnya. During these contingency deployments, training and
combat readiness of the deployed forces slipped drastically. Further,
the non-deployed forces were unable to train since all the training
funds went to support contingency deployments. General Rodionov
realizes that no nation can train, reform and restructure an army in
the midst of contingency operations. General Rodionov hopes to
concentrate on rebuilding his army for national defense and let the
Minister of Internal Affairs and other Russian ministries worry about
contingency operations (he is also likely to seek cuts in the forces of
these ministries to finance his army reform). However, withdrawing
the Russian Army from all contingency missions at this point is
problematic.

How likely is it that Rodionov will
be able to implement his vision?
Currently, his vision looks like the
only realistic plan that can save the
Russian ground forces. However, his
former chief supporter, Security Chief
Aleksandr Lebed, was recently
ousted in a bout of Kremlin
in-fighting. Lebed looked to Rodionov for strategic vision and
sponsored his recent promotion to four-star rank.3 As the question of
President Yeltsin's control of the country becomes more problematic,
Lebed's power as an outsider should increase, and Rodionov seems
well situated to survive within the current government or a future
government. Rodionov is recognized as a competent Defense Minister
and his potential replacements lack his credentials. If Rodionov
survives, his reforms have a chance of implementation and leading
Russia back to a position of military strength and competence within
the next decade. His chief opposition will come from the Chief of
Ground Forces, the airborne community and from the competing
military and paramilitary establishments of other ministries and
agencies such as the Ministry for Internal Affairs, the Border Guards,
the Presidential Guard, the Federal Security Service, the External
Intelligence Agency, the Federal Agency of Press and Information
(similar to a National Security Agency with armed troops) and the
Emergency Command. His reforms will initially prove expense and will
undoubtedly meet political opposition as well.

If Rodionov implements his reform, it will continue Russian
reliance on nuclear deterrence, create changes in the way that Russia
performs peace enforcement missions and encourage membership in
regional security alliances. Financial reality is driving this change, but
this may also be a response to the potential fragmentation of the
Russian Army along regional lines.

Endnotes

1. A. Zhilin, "Igor Rodionov: Unpopular Measures Can No Longer Be
Avoided", Moscow News, 11-18 August 1996, No. 32, 7.BACK

2. For a biography of General Rodionov, see Lester W. Grau and
Timothy I. Thomas, "Russian Minister of Defense General Igor
Rodionov: In With The Old, In With The New", The Journal of Slavic
Military Studies, June 1996, 442-452.BACK

3. Thanks to Dr. Jacob Kipp and Mr. Tim Thomas of the Foreign
Military Studies Office and Dr. Rob Arnett of the Pentagon for their
help and thoughts.

Awesome. I kind of miss the Cold War. The Cold War movies kicked ass and Condi Rice is a Russian expert. Glasnost and Perestroika? Nyet!

It's not the size of the ship, it's the motion of the ocean?

As I said before, think of the Trojan War.

"It's sure good to know that all of the economic and other assistance, provided by the US, has gone to good use..."

Heck we even dismantled their old stuff and took away to store what our own EPA will not let us store any more. Will the future see it left safe under Yucca Mt. when the rest of the country is U.S. ash?

"Russia and the USA had better start watching China more closely"

Hopefully we don't trust either. China though also does not trust Russia either. They have used Russia (besides us) to leap at least a decade or two ahead of where the would be right now in weapons technology.

Clinton assured them that they caught up in several VERY high tech areas of the arms game. We let them get Panama, we sold some of our old aircraft carriers for "scrap" (nothing like giving them a former operating vessels even Russia has not been able to make successfully). They now operate major container ports in the Caribbean and LA!

Russia since the demise of the USSR has developed and put in service several high tech fighter - fighter/bombers, developed new cruise missile technology, a new high speed torpedo, new antitank weapons, new armor, new AA radars and AA missiles, and impoved short and intermediate range missiles.

Not bad for a country that was nearly bankrupt 12 years ago. Like Patton said, we should have taken them out because we are going to face them again and might not be as strong, organized, or strategically situated as we were at the end of WWII.

Now realistically we are facing two powers we saved in WWII. Both are now our rivals (or near future rivals) for world supremacy. The difference is both really would love to see us collapse and would never give us the aid we gave them.

History has shown we are the only ones who obey the terms of the treaties we sign.

LOL!!!

The prototype weapon proved it could maneuver so quickly

Sounds out of control.

The day is not far off when we'll be facing Russian troops on the battlefield. Mark my words.