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To: stop_fascism
If you look at a map of those states that formed the original Thirteen Colonies, you'll generally find that the Royalist/Tory supporters of the British were strongest in areas that ended up in Kerry's column.

New York City, in fact, was so openly hostile to the revolution that George Washington's army never occupied it for an extended period of time, and was basically in British hands for almost the entire duration of the war.

Several decades later, Massachusetts and Maine (if I remember correctly) went so far as to refuse to send their state militias to aid the U.S. in the War of 1812.

75 posted on 11/15/2004 11:43:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: Alberta's Child

Exactly, Kerry states have always been opposed to liberty and the rights of man. That explains everything.


82 posted on 11/15/2004 11:45:43 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Alberta's Child
Several decades later, Massachusetts and Maine (if I remember correctly) went so far as to refuse to send their state militias to aid the U.S. in the War of 1812.

Well, Maine was part of Massachusetts back then (it wasn't detached and admitted as a separate state until 1820 as part of the Missouri Compromise), but the New England Federalists changed their position on "states' rights" when Jefferson became President.

BTW, it was the repeal of the Missouri Compromise by the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854 that led to the formation of the Republican Party, of which I and my ancestors have been proud affiliates since the Civil War.

97 posted on 11/15/2004 11:56:19 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: Alberta's Child
If you look at a map of those states that formed the original Thirteen Colonies, you'll generally find that the Royalist/Tory supporters of the British were strongest in areas that ended up in Kerry's column.

That simply isn't true. Of course New York had many Tories. So did the South. The Carolinas were bitterly divided. New England was more solidly behind the revolution, and indeed, there might have been no revolution if Massachusetts hadn't pushed so hard against the British.

A lot of what happened, though, was determined by where the British armies went. When British troops occupied New York and Philadelphia they brought out loyalist sentiments there. The same was true of parts of the South, but no one's ever seriously claimed that New England was a major hotbed of Toryism.

108 posted on 11/15/2004 12:03:45 PM PST by x
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To: Alberta's Child
Massachusetts and Maine (if I remember correctly)

Maine was a part of Massachusetts until it became a state in 1820.

They say that Massachusetts is buying it back, one house lot at a time. It was a (very) red state up until a few years ago.

119 posted on 11/15/2004 12:15:33 PM PST by wbill
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