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"Red states" that supported President Bush also supported slavery
News Target ^ | November 15, 2004

Posted on 11/15/2004 11:19:28 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

*In case it's hard to read, on the Pre-Civil War Map, the red areas were slave states and the brown areas were territories open to slavery, while the green areas were free states and territories.

*These distinctions eerily correspond to the red states vs. blue states on the 2004 Election Map ~~ i.e., the blue (Kerry) states correspond to the pre-civil-war free states and territories, while the red (Bush) states correspond to what were the slave states and territories.

*To me, the images (and subsequent comments) simply point out that we as a country cannot, or refuse to, face difficult racial issues.

*I think the mentality which allowed certain parts of the country at a certain time in our history to accept the violent subjugation of an entire human race ...

*By using the headline "Free States vs. Slave States", an immediate deception is perpetrated that continues to deceive right through all following commentary. These were philisophical differences in forms of government and policy, not whether or not black people should be free.

*It is so hard for me to understand the wailing coming from the Dems on the slave map issue.

*Blue states versus Red States means nothing!

*1. The republican party (and the dems too) are very much different in character and ideal than they were 140 or so years ago.

*2. Jon Koppenhoefer makes a sensible and compelling argument but I want to focus on the slave/free map.

*The last major battle of the American civil war may well have been over LBJ's great society; we've been fighting continuously for 140 years.

*It would give more seats to California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina and other large and growing states, without taking away the one (minimum) Representative for Wyoming's 400,000 citizens.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerrydefeat; red8states; slavery
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Of course, when these states supported slavery and Jim Crow, they were run by democrats.


81 posted on 11/15/2004 11:44:54 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Exactly, Kerry states have always been opposed to liberty and the rights of man. That explains everything.


82 posted on 11/15/2004 11:45:43 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: CommerceComet

I apologize to the good people of Kansas. (And of course, cough cough, the Dems were the pro-slavery party while the Pubs supported freedom.)


83 posted on 11/15/2004 11:45:52 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: camle

When the Russians ran it, maybe.

}:-)4


84 posted on 11/15/2004 11:46:03 AM PST by Moose4 (I'm not white trash. I'm Caucasian recyclables.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It would have been smart of the libs not to go there but if they were smart, they wouldn't be libs.
They are overlooking that all slaveowners were dumbocrats.

And Lincoln, as the libs habitually ignore, was a Republican.


85 posted on 11/15/2004 11:47:42 AM PST by Let's Roll (For a guy who shirked his own job, Kerry sure was eager to tell others how to do theirs ...)
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To: kx9088

One of the original Boyz in De Hoods...


86 posted on 11/15/2004 11:47:47 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: chs68
I believe I am correct when I say that there were a great many of the "blue" states that voted for a Democratic President who (1) tried to pack the Supreme Court to get his way, and (2) threw lots of American citizens (who happened to be of Japanese descent) into concentration camps.

How many people remember that in 1936 FDR carried every state except Maine and Vermont? How many people remember that during twelve years of FDR's Presidency there was not a single solitary legal abortion of "gay marriage?"

Why do people who idolize FDR (1933-1945) act as if "turning back the clock" to 1972 (before Roe v. Wade) is absolutely unthinkable?

87 posted on 11/15/2004 11:47:55 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Red states" that supported President Bush also supported slavery

Slavery was on the 2004 ballot? I missed it.

88 posted on 11/15/2004 11:48:57 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side".
U.S. Grant


89 posted on 11/15/2004 11:49:53 AM PST by artifax
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

You're killin' me. Maybe we should start handicapping the 2012 re-election field instead of 2008.


90 posted on 11/15/2004 11:50:25 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Your assertion is beyond absurd. The Democrats wanted to destroy the Union in the 1860s and the only thing that has changed is that those self-destructive forces now live in the urban areas where instead of slave help they can get government help.

Only a fool would believe your absurd observation but then the Democratic Party well knows a plastic bait catches a lot of foolish fish.

Multeam1

91 posted on 11/15/2004 11:51:51 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Many Blue states that supported Kerry also supported Slavery - when the Declaration of Independence was signed.


92 posted on 11/15/2004 11:52:18 AM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: Publius6961

"The Republican Party is the ship. All else is sea." --Frederick Douglass


93 posted on 11/15/2004 11:53:00 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

These bozos are so used to dividing people and pandering to each group, they just can't help themselves. Free states included OH, IN, KY, KS, IA, NV, UT. Nice try, though!


94 posted on 11/15/2004 11:53:22 AM PST by eagle11 (A leader who puts God at the center of his life is not likely to believe he is omnipotent.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Iowa? Nebraska? North and South Dakota?


95 posted on 11/15/2004 11:55:27 AM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The Southern states these dimbulbs refer to were run by democrats then. They're still "democrats" today, but they vote republican.


96 posted on 11/15/2004 11:55:55 AM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Alberta's Child
Several decades later, Massachusetts and Maine (if I remember correctly) went so far as to refuse to send their state militias to aid the U.S. in the War of 1812.

Well, Maine was part of Massachusetts back then (it wasn't detached and admitted as a separate state until 1820 as part of the Missouri Compromise), but the New England Federalists changed their position on "states' rights" when Jefferson became President.

BTW, it was the repeal of the Missouri Compromise by the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854 that led to the formation of the Republican Party, of which I and my ancestors have been proud affiliates since the Civil War.

97 posted on 11/15/2004 11:56:19 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It just goes to show -- black folks love W!


98 posted on 11/15/2004 11:57:15 AM PST by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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To: tophat9000
The thing is if track the change in the south from Democrat to Republican this is recent staring around 1980 oddly this is also the time frame of the start of the new south ... from the slavery of the 1860 to the segregation of 1960 the south was all Democrat and the solid Democrat South the Democrat political strategic for a hundred years...the lib are hypocrites that had no problem using Souther votes to put them in power and when the south changed with the end of segregation and the start of the Republican south the lib try to use the Old (Dem controlled)south history to smear the New (Rep) south

100% accurate!!!

99 posted on 11/15/2004 11:58:04 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Slavery was legal in Massachusetts up to 1783 it looks like.

http://www.slavenorth.com/massemancip.htm


100 posted on 11/15/2004 11:58:18 AM PST by nosofar
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