Okla. Law Allows Guns on Company Property

fox ^ | 11-14-04

[timm22]

Xerxes should have listened, no?

Indeed. Of course, things didn't go to well for Leonidas either :)

[sarasmom]

You are not conservative, and I wonder why you hang out on this site.
Bored on DU?

[Ragnorak]

The fact that the government does not respect private property (by regulating parking lots in other ways) does not mean that parking lots are public property

I certainly understand (and agree) with your complaints about the government and private property. If I lived in Oregon I would have revolted by now.

The parking lot as psuedo-public property stems from the property owners choice to open the property to the general public--think of a supermarket parking lot. Police can enforce the same laws in the parking lot that they can on sidewalks or streets but can't on your front porch. I certainly don't think a supermarket should be able to refuse you access because you had an unseen and otherwise perfectly legal item in your trunk. Should an employer be able to refuse to let you park in his lot if you drive an SUV or a motorcycle? Does he give up this right of refusal when he grants employee parking?

I don't know how, if at all, this "public treatment" applies when the property is only opened to the limited public such as only your employees. My guess is it varies greatly from State to State.

I'm uncomfortable with anyone telling me what I'm allowed to have in my personal vehicle. Especially in this case because, if I read this correctly, they don't want employees parking on public property to be allowed to have guns in their cars either.

[Cobra64]

Ever hear of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution? I have no problem with anyone on my property with a firearm. If they take aim at my wife or children, then I will respond. The concept is very simple. As a seventh generation American, many of my forebearers settled this land. We are not afraid of defending ourselves. If you like ther 911 factor, then that's your choice when you are bleeding to death, waiting for the EMS to stop by.

Cheers pal.

BTW, ask the United States Marines what they think of your's and timm22's attitude.

pathetic...

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Try taking a gun to work at PSO. (Public Service Co of Oklahoma).
The parent company AEP (American Electric Power) absolutly forbids guns and knives.

[DaveTesla]

All it takes is one nut job to start the gunfight at
Matag corral over a lunchroom spat and the anti gun
movement will have our ass and the lawyers will have
Matag's ass.

[ApplegateRanch]

In SC we have shall issue laws, and folks I have worked for have tried to say that we cannot carry guns in our cars.

I say if no one knows what is the issue.

That is the "what you don't know doesn't hurt me" principle, which I swear by. Especially when it comes to the gummint.

[Wonder Warthog]

"So I guess I have the right to park my property on your front yard and camp out there overnight, just so long as I don't step off of my property and onto yours?"

Re-read what I said. The INTERIOR of the vehicle is private property. You certainly have the say as to where the EXTERIOR sits.

Go learn some topology.

[timm22]

Re-read what I said. The INTERIOR of the vehicle is private property. You certainly have the say as to where the EXTERIOR sits.

Then if I do not like what you have in the interior of your vehicle, can I not simply state that the exterior is prohibited from my property?

[timm22]

You are not conservative, and I wonder why you hang out on this site. Bored on DU?

So now taking a position in defense of property rights is not conservative?

A classical liberal, by the way, was someone who supported limited government, free markets, and individual rights. Men like John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith, James Madison, and Milton Friedman were classical liberals.

[timm22]

Ever hear of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution?

Yes, it was designed to protect against state- not private-infringement on the right to keep and bear arms. It does not apply to a private employer. Otherwise, I could just as easily say that an employer violated my First Amendment rights if they fired me for distributing extremist political literature at work or by preventing me from giving religious sermons to customers.

I have no problem with anyone on my property with a firearm.

I don't either. But I shouldn't get to make that decision for someone else on THEIR property.

[Truthsayer20]

"But if you do so, you should be required to provide secure storage for their firearms while they are on the premises."

Should employers also be forced to provide freezers for people who come to work with an ice cream cone, which they are not allowed to take into company premises?

[Truthsayer20]

It's interesting how easily property rights are thrown out of the window when they don't fit perfectly with the supposedly "conservative" agenda.

[timm22]

It's interesting how easily property rights are thrown out of the window when they don't fit perfectly with the supposedly "conservative" agenda.

Unfortunately, I've seen it so often that it is no longer interesting, only terribly depressing.

[jdege]

Should employers also be forced to provide freezers for people who come to work with an ice cream cone, which they are not allowed to take into company premises?

Employees don't have a fundamental right to bear ice cream cones, and the lack of an ice cream cone during travel to and from work isn't life threatening.

[Truthsayer20]

"Employees don't have a fundamental right to bear ice cream cones, and the lack of an ice cream cone during travel to and from work isn't life threatening."

The 2nd, or any other, amendment does not trump private property rights. It's a restriction against government power. I would be fired on the spot if I would start to publicly advocate for boycotts against my company (i.e., the 1st amendment does not give me the "right" to not to suffer in my private contractual arrangements due to my public statements).

[Wonder Warthog]

"Then if I do not like what you have in the interior of your vehicle, can I not simply state that the exterior is prohibited from my property?"

How will you know?? And no, you do not have a "right to know". That is what "concealed carry" is all about.

[timm22]

Employees don't have a fundamental right to bear ice cream cones, and the lack of an ice cream cone during travel to and from work isn't life threatening.

Neither do employees have a fundamental right to stay employed against their employer's wishes.

[Cobra64]

I don't either. But I shouldn't get to make that decision for someone else on THEIR property.

Well Pilgram, based on your logic, if you show up on my property, then I have the tight to drop you.

You libs are beyond belief. BTW, have you ever smelled spent gunpowder or Hoppe's No.9? Do you know the difference between a muzzle and a breach? Can you discern the difference of a pistol, revolver, rifle, carbine, shotgun, tank, airplane, jet, helicopter, fixed-wing vs. rotary? Gunship helo, support operations?