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Bush Faces Early Test on Immigration Policy
Reuters via The New York Times ^ | November 14, 2004 | Reuters

Posted on 11/14/2004 12:26:55 PM PST by primeval patriot

The New York Times


November 14, 2004

Bush Faces Early Test on Immigration Policy

By REUTERS

Filed at 10:28 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush faces an early test on immigration policy this week as Congress considers legislation denounced by Latino groups as anti-Hispanic and anti-immigrant.

Several provisions that would affect the lives of immigrants and asylum seekers found their way into a bill passed by the House of Representatives to reform the nation's intelligence services.

The bill stems directly from recommendations by the bipartisan commission which investigated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington. The Senate version of the bill does not contain these immigration clauses.

House and Senate conferees will try once again to reconcile their differing bills when Congress reconvenes for a lame duck session this week. The White House is on record as strongly opposing some of the House provisions but it remains to be seen whether Bush is willing to expend any political capital by putting pressure on Republican legislators to drop them.

``The House Republicans think they have a strong hand on this and seem ready to go to the mat. They seem to want to paint immigrants as the bad guys in the war on terror,'' said Angela Kelley of the National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigration group.

Opponents of the House bill say it would make it more difficult for refugees to obtain political asylum in the United States by raising the standards of proof required. It would also make it easier for the authorities to deport non-citizens, including legal residents.

``The bill is the biggest assault we have ever seen on political asylum. If passed, it would make it incredibly difficult for anyone to be granted asylum in this country,'' said Erin Corcoran of Human Rights First.

The bill also seeks to prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses and would withdraw recognition of ID cards issued by Latin American embassies that many immigrants carry that now allow them to open bank accounts, obtain drivers licenses and even board aircraft.

Mexico has issued over 2 million of the cards, known as the ``matricula consular'' to its nationals, whether they are in the United States legally or illegally, and several other Latin American countries also issue ID cards.

LATINOS DENOUNCE BILL

Four major Latino organizations issued a joint statement last month denouncing the provisions as ``anti-Latino and anti-immigrant.''

``These provisions will have a profound, negative impact on Latinos and other immigrants communities. They will not make us safer and, in fact, may make us less safe by driving a wedge between American communities and law enforcement,'' they said.

Wisconsin Republican Rep. James Sensenbrenner, a leading advocate of the bill, said all its provisions stemmed directly from the report of the 9/11 Commission.

``The legislation enhances security around our borders, and reduces opportunities for terrorists to enter and stay in the United States,'' he said. ``Every provision in this bill that is within the Judiciary Committee's jurisdiction, is tied directly to a specific recommendation made by the 9/11 Commission.''

Dan Stein of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which favors reducing immigration, said the provisions would close loopholes in the nation's defenses by making it easier to identify, track and deport illegal immigrants.

But the 9/11 Commission itself said the immigration clauses were not part of its report.

``We believe strongly that this bill is not the right occasion for tackling controversial immigration and law enforcement issues that go well beyond the Commission's recommendations,'' Commission chair Thomas Kean and vice chair Lee Hamilton said in a letter last month.

Bush won 44 percent of the fast-growing Hispanic vote in the Nov. 2 presidential election, up from 35 percent in 2000 according to exit polls. His administration has said it wants to make immigration reform a major focus of his second term.

However, there is a strong element in the Republican Party that opposes any concessions to illegal immigrants and would like to see restrictions placed on legal immigration as well.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; bushamnesty; homelandsecurity; immigrantlist; immigrationplan
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To: bayourod
While President Bush won the election, he did not do so with a mandate to legalize illegal aliens under the guise of of a guest-worker program. So long as the President's immigration reform proposal includes language to legalize illegals, it will fail.

If you really want a guest worker proposal that will allow law-abiding, rule-following foreign nationals to meet needs in our labor market, I suggest you get behind the one put forward by Tom Tancredo, which would reward only those applicants who are willing to play by the rules before entering.

41 posted on 11/14/2004 4:10:16 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: CWOJackson
The irony of it is, most of the people who want walls and troops on the border also demand reduced federal spending and smaller government.

Those would be the people that recognize that National Defense is one of the few legitimate purposes of the federal government.

42 posted on 11/14/2004 4:11:59 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: primeval patriot
Wisconsin Republican Rep. James Sensenbrenner, a leading advocate of the bill, said all its provisions stemmed directly from the report of the 9/11 Commission.

``The legislation enhances security around our borders, and reduces opportunities for terrorists to enter and stay in the United States,'' he said. ``Every provision in this bill that is within the Judiciary Committee's jurisdiction, is tied directly to a specific recommendation made by the 9/11 Commission.''

Of course it makes sense. Unfortunately, it appears Hispandering is more important to the Bush administration than improving the safety of American citizens.

43 posted on 11/14/2004 4:12:54 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Congress to stop Islamic immigration.)
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To: GarySpFc
Take a look at the concrete barrier Israel built. I would estimate its height to be at least 35 feet. Few if any Mexicans would attempt to scale that monster.

There are only a few miles of wall like that. The rest is fence, and even that only covers a border that is a fraction of ours with Mexico. If you want to have less illegal aliens in the country, don't waste your time talking about walls.

44 posted on 11/14/2004 4:13:14 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: 26lemoncharlie
Two Walls/Fences approx 15 ft high with land mines and motion detectors in between the Walls/Fences! Razor wire in front of the fence facing Mexico- Canada with motion detectors. Quick response teams with choppers placed about 10 milesor more apart. Work on it it will work a few land mines can go a long way!!

We can put warehouses just inside the borders so that trailers from the outside countries can drop off their trailers, unload them inspect them and out them on US Trailers for distribution in the US. IT CAN BE DONE -- We just have to want to do it!!

But we don't, and never will, and don't need to, because the problem of illegal aliens can be solved far more easily and less expensively that building walls. And land mines? Don't be a nut.

45 posted on 11/14/2004 4:16:08 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: primeval patriot; JonDavid

People who allude to approaches to border security requiring thousands of miles of walls and millions of troops on the border are using strawman arguments. These people havent read previous posts by myself and others on other threads, who have discussed how security could be inplemented efficiently.

The answer is technology, supplemented by intelligent use of manpower.

The answer involves hierarchical, layered security measures, involving sensors, aerial, unmanned, and satellite assets.

People who insist on spouting these stawman arguments need to step back from the keyboard for a minute, look at the marvelous piece of technology in front of them, and just imagine what could be done with technology that makes that PC seem like a windup toy.


46 posted on 11/14/2004 4:16:24 PM PST by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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To: Fatalis
But we don't, and never will, and don't need to, because the problem of illegal aliens can be solved far more easily and less expensively that building walls.

Enforcing existing laws would be a start.

48 posted on 11/14/2004 4:22:24 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: primeval patriot
However, there is a strong element in the Republican Party that opposes any concessions to illegal immigrants and would like to see restrictions placed on legal immigration as well.

These are actually often two separate, though related elements. There is a far larger constituency that opposes illegal aliens than there is that opposes immigration, with some overlap. The rather small anti-immigrant minority would diminish further if illegal aliens were constructively addressed.

49 posted on 11/14/2004 4:22:59 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: CaptainAwesome2
you start shooting at the border and there will be many less people trying to cross.

You start shooting at the border and political sentiment will turn on behalf of illegal aliens. Therefore, it's not just an immoral idea, it's stupid as well.

50 posted on 11/14/2004 4:25:19 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: Dat Mon
People who allude to approaches to border security requiring thousands of miles of walls and millions of troops on the border are using strawman arguments.

I concur.

51 posted on 11/14/2004 4:25:35 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: winker

>> The taxpayers would get the relief they need and we would not have to impeach those representatives for not enforcing our laws!<<


What is your problem with impeaching those representatives who refuse to follow their oath of office?

Whatever your answer is I want you to watch at the next election when there is a major cry to re-elect these people who have proven they are not working for us, but against us.


52 posted on 11/14/2004 4:26:40 PM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: primeval patriot
It would be a most excellent start. There's a remarkable correlation between the seriousness with which a law is enforced and the degree to which the populace adheres to it. Someone should tell the President.
53 posted on 11/14/2004 4:27:35 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: Dat Mon
People who allude to approaches to border security requiring thousands of miles of walls and millions of troops on the border are using strawman arguments.

Not always, unfortunately. Rants for walls and land mines and armed guards who will shoot illegal aliens as they cross are common, as this thread has shown. Such rants are quite counterproductive, because they feed the assumption that only wildeyed anti-immigrant yahoos are concerned about illegal aliens.

54 posted on 11/14/2004 4:32:23 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: bayourod

"Bush won. Get over it."

So did illegal immigration.


55 posted on 11/14/2004 4:32:30 PM PST by SealSeven
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

-bttt-


56 posted on 11/14/2004 4:34:20 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: JonDavid

www.numbersusa.com

You can fax your representative for FREE. They ARE making a difference and shutting down Pro-Open Borders laws in the Congress.

The service is free and they will email you updates when any legislation is brewing. They are slowly becoming and NRA type group to protect our borders. Congress is starting to fear this group because voters are fed up.

My county taxes include a large amount for the county hospitals which provide free health care for illegals.

www.numbersusa.com

No amnesties!


58 posted on 11/14/2004 4:35:53 PM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Ted Kennedy Dem NO AMNESTY NO Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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To: JonDavid

"The barrier would not be on an even line. You would also need to build secondary barriers & multiple barriers. Also, think about repair & maintenance of barrier."

40,000 miles of interstate in this country.

It could be done -


59 posted on 11/14/2004 4:38:01 PM PST by SealSeven
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To: janetgreen

WWW.NUMBERSUSA.COM.
Free faxing privileges, faxes addressed to all the usual open borders suspects in the White House and Congress. The pre-written faxes cover all the subjects you listed. Good place to blow off some steam like I do!


www.Numbersusa.com IS making a difference. They are becoming an NRA-type group that is feared by Congress.

www.numbersusa.com is shutting down pushes in congress for more open borders. It is free so use it and maybe make a donation. They also have lobbyists on Capitol Hill plus there people quickly get word on any bills lurkinga nd mobilize forces.


60 posted on 11/14/2004 4:38:24 PM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Ted Kennedy Dem NO AMNESTY NO Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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