'We have let things slip, and let extremists live under our noses'

The Telegraph ^ | nov 14 04 | Elizabeth Day

[Cutterjohnmhb]

The streets of Rotterdam are silent apart from a whistling wind. Flickering neon signs advertising Halal butchers and falafel bars punctuate the grey facades of the tower blocks.

Splintered glass from a broken window that no one has bothered to repair is slowly trampled into the autumn leaves. In the distance, a mosque's minarets pierce the fog and drizzle.

Almost half the population of Rotterdam is of non-Dutch origin and the city is studded by grim ghettoes. Fifteen-year-old Rafih Bourdin has hunched his shoulders up against the cold. His head is wrapped in a red bandana and covered by a heavy, hooded top that almost entirely obscures his eyes.

[NRA1995]

I would add "Note to the White House"

[No Surrender No Retreat]

I would have to sum it all up in one simple syllogism, F all the damn mosleemms. They are the extremists and need to take a permanent vacation to mecca, prior to a nuke dropping in. Allah has spoken, Ha ha.

[Reagan is King]

I wonder what the libs would think if a fifth plane on 9/11 hit somewhere in Hollywood.

I'm not so sure they wouldn't say that they "brought it upon themselves by not doing more to reach out to the Muslim community."

[trentonrevolution]

Historically, the states of the southwest have had a large percentage of the population being of Hispanic descent. It went unnoticed until the "ethnic" rights rabble-rousers started poking around.
To deny the Hispanic pluralities of those states is to ignore history and one always does that at their peril. I'm sure their are libraries in your area that would cover such topics as The Mexican-American War and Manifest Destiny. Another clue might be LOS ANGELES is of Spanish derivation, as is California, Florida, New MEXICO, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, and Texas to name a few.

[trentonrevolution]

Sorry, just because you don't see something, doesn't mean it's not there.

[FourPeas]

Oops. Right there you've got a problem.

Add it to the list of problems the Dutch have. Living in a community originally and still largely populated by Dutch immigrants, who are largely conservative, I can't imagine these people have similar origins.

[Crawdad]

A real life 'Camp of the Saints'.

[Tripleplay]

Maybe we should prevent the people of PR from speaking Spanish, while we're at it.

I'm not an historian on LA, but I seriously doubt Spanish was a 50% language in the 30's and 40's.

Also, when did I say we should "prevent" the speaking of any language?

IMO, llegal immigration is producing separate cultures and multiculturalism is winning.

Whether its good or bad for the country is the debate which should be taking place.

[ZeitgeistSurfer]

I am reposting what was said in this forum by another poster that to me expresses everything that neesds to be said.

"It would be a grave mistake to only treat these Jihadi attacks as a law enforcement issue to be dealt with after the fact, or even as an intelligence issue to follow avowed extremists and extremist groups. The problem is that the vast majority of Muslims will be outwardly peaceful while harboring an intense hatred of anything non-Muslim. There will always be jihadists coming out of nowhere to perpetrate barbarism on the rest of society. As Islam grows the attacks will grow worse until they feel strong enough to come out in mass to impose Shari'a on everyone. That is the model devised by Mohammad in Mecca and Medina - small atrocities by a core cadre while building a following and then sudden violent takeover.

If the idea is to protect people from Muslim violence, the target must be Islam as a whole. The scriptures of Islam provide the basis for violence against non-Muslims to promote Islam as well as against Muslims as an enforcement mechanism within Islam. Islam should be regarded as an ideological movement rather than a religious one. Even though intenally it has a religious dimension, the important point for non-Muslims is that its aim is not merely a way of life for adherents or even conversion, but control of every aspect of life for Muslims and non-Muslims alike. And while most Muslims may never commit a violent act in their lives, a society of Muslims will always breed and include an enforcement cadre that can only be checked and removed by eliminating all of Islam or reducing it to isolated individuals. Any large group of Muslims inevitably contains a dangerous core that takes the teachings of Islam in their totality more seriously than most."

[Dacus943]

"Figures: it took the murder of a filmmaker to wake these people up."

Wow!!! What insight... lets have Moore of them!!! ;)

[raybbr]

"We must ask ourselves if we have not been naive over the past few years—ask ourselves if we have not for so long agreed to take in anybody [as immigrants]," said Dutch Justice Minister Rita Verdonk last week. "We Dutch are easy prey," says Jon Wolter Wabeke, a senior judge in Amsterdam. "We're vulnerable because we're a soft, tolerant society."

From another thread on this issue

[foolscap]

You have a point however I beg to differ in some respects. I think this is because I have known many Muslims personally. The ones I have met are of a liberal variety. They came to the US to get away from the crap in the Middle East. They hated it there and wanted to be free. They are happy to be here and have assimilated. The wanted to be free from shira law and the horrid repression of women. They also want to hang on to their faith. No, they are not the total picture. The test needs to be that if Muslims immigrate they must accept a Western philosophy. They must accept a Western justice system. If they don't want to do that then they need to be sent back. The Muslim faith has more variety that is seen on the surface. They are much like Christians in that way. Some are liberal, some are not. Not all Muslims believe in things like honor killing. A lot of how Muslims view the West has to do with the amount of education they have. The more ignorant they are the more they fall prey to the fundamentalists. Sadly the number of uneducated Muslims far outweighs those that are educated. That is exactly where the fundamentalists want to keep them. They are the ones they can get to strap on explosives for Allah.

[dagnabbit]

Islamic-immigration-is-the-West's-suicide Bump.

[trentonrevolution]

First of all, my opinion on the situation is being extrapolated by my statement of historical fact. I don't like the current immigration situation either but I think it's worse when politicians latch onto for the sake a building a political base (are you listening Congressman Tancredo?).
Just because no one here remembers people in LA or Dallas or Houston or Bugtussle, for that matter, speaking Spanish doesn't mean it wasn't there. I never saw a microbe until I looked through a microscope. They are aware of it now it has been pointed out to them.
What if, after our wars against both Mexico and Canada (as the surrogates of England and France), we rounded up those people who lived there and put them on reservations as we did we the Indians? Most of those of Spanish ancestry assimilated on the outside world and remained true to their roots in their community. Had the American Indian done the same thing, their "situation" may have been quite different.
After taking the long way round, their is a big difference between Spanish speaking people in the United States and the muslim problem in Europe. That was all I was trying to point out.

[LibSnubber]

"The Netherlands, with its reputation for liberalism, tolerance and freedom of speech, has never been so divided. Since the murder of the filmmaker Theo van Gogh by a radical Muslim a fortnight ago, the country's 30-year-old experiment in tolerant multi-culturalism has begun to fail".

Hello???? Sound familiar? WAKE UP AMERICA!

The islamofascists take the path of least resistance.

They go to countries that are vulnerable and countries that welcome them - no questions asked. Then from the inside begin to spread their religion of "peace" and multiply. Their goal: convert the infidels or kill them with glee.

And they are doing it right here; under our very noses with liberals helping them every d*mn step of the way. Liberals hate this country, and everything it stands for, every bit as much as the terrorists do - and they all want to silence people like us.

[hineybona]

Whats the connection between drugs , prostutes and whats going on there ?

[DooDahhhh]

The uneducated turning to extremism makes sense. But how do you figure they talked the Mohammed Attas into self destruction. Those folks from 9-11 were rich & well educated. : (

[philetus]

It will lead them to becoming fed up with their persona non grata status and squashing terrorism within their own ranks. That is the only way that terrorism within Islam will finally be quelled."

Never going to happen.

[hineybona]

Few if any Moslems in the US are pro US , educated or not ...

[dagnabbit]

Unfortunatly, though we got the lesser of two evils this November, we still have a President who seems clueless about the broad effects of limitless third world population transfers to the USA.