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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: ApesForEvolution
Like I said...you folks are so predictable.

As are you...if people don't agree with you 100%, you insult them and call them names, and you refuse to answer any questions, but think all of yours should be answered completely.

Meanwhile, I can only conclude that you didn't know abortion involved killing a child until you saw the video.

681 posted on 11/13/2004 2:46:21 PM PST by Amelia (Didn't watch the movie, but I did read The Book.)
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To: sawmill trash
Why not ? Dead is dead.

If "Dead is Dead" then you could say that the Iraqi civilians that died during our bombing campaign. Dead is dead right?
682 posted on 11/13/2004 2:46:33 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: MHGinTN

No kidding. Even Scarface, as thoroughly corrupt as he was, didn't want any part of killing little kids.


683 posted on 11/13/2004 2:47:12 PM PST by AlbionGirl (+Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi.+)
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To: sitetest
Most folks honestly believe that the law does not provide for abortion on demand. Most folks think that there are already meaningful legal restrictions on abortion.

Nobody I know believes that. The people you know must be totally ignorant.

684 posted on 11/13/2004 2:48:03 PM PST by Amelia (Didn't watch the movie, but I did read The Book.)
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To: MHGinTN
the Pubbies have enjoyed our support knowing full well why we support Pubbies over Dems. If the pubbies spit on our values as we express with our votes, they will cease to get our votes.

Other than the abortion issue you favor regulatory tyranny, high taxes and a tax code so arcare that various treasury officials have declared it unenforcible, appeasement of terrorists, criminalizing exploitation of natural resources, etc.

Fine. Next time don't fool yourself. Vote for democrats.

685 posted on 11/13/2004 2:48:34 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Clorinox

You ravings in #559 would have God be a murderer also, since murder happens by humans. You really do need to stop and think about it when you decide to shake your fist at the Sovereign of this Universe ... could you really be that knowledgeable, that you could accuse Christians of knowing some of the mind of God yet claim you know so much more God's mind that you can make unequivocal assertions regarding God's nature?


686 posted on 11/13/2004 2:49:20 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Clorinox

"I don't have a problem with right and wrong, I get to decide for myself what right and wrong are. No one else can!" Whew! I'm so glad you cleared that up. Now we can cancel all those murder statutes on the books.


687 posted on 11/13/2004 2:52:50 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: sitetest

If you want to leave the abortion issue up to the states that is fine with me. Those states that support abortion rights will have them and those that don't won't.

Sounds like a reasonable situation to me.


688 posted on 11/13/2004 2:53:35 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: Skywalk

I don't want my tax dollars paying for some persons murder. I am socially and ecomonically (fiscally?)conservative (to a point on the latter).


689 posted on 11/13/2004 2:55:28 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: narses
I can't - they call us names on a regular basis. Except in the weeks prior to elections when they embrace us.

You noticed that, too? The pro-aborts can't seem to get through any thread without acting like DU'ers.

690 posted on 11/13/2004 2:56:51 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: MHGinTN; Clorinox
If I'd seen your irrational spittle in #546 I wouldn't have addressed yo at all.

Funny, but the same question occurred to me. Since a very large fraction of pregnancies end in natural abortion, most even before the woman knew she was pregnant, it sounds to me as though god is the greatest abortionist of all. Perhaps the babies that god butchers are souls so predisposed to corruption and damnation that god decided to end the matter right their he decided to damn the soul to the eternal fires right there. Sound gruesome - get a clue - you guys are not playing with a full deck. Stop pretending you know the will of god. You don't even understand grammar and common sense.

691 posted on 11/13/2004 2:57:08 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: MHGinTN

Your are splitting hairs between morality and law. I know what is legal and illegal and I have agreed for the most part to abide by these agreed upon laws. I also do my best to determine what is moral and immoral in my daily life. But no one can determine for me what is moral or immoral only what is legal and illegal. Like I posted earlier, everyone agrees on murder laws, not everyone agrees on abortion laws. A large majority of people will be needed to overturn todays abortion law (most likely path constitutional amendment).


692 posted on 11/13/2004 2:57:36 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Thats awful, even though we all know the liberals are morons anyway.


693 posted on 11/13/2004 2:57:55 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: Aloysius88

man, these pro-abortion people remind me of John Bice or Ted Rall (well maybe not that extreme)(anybody from Michigan State University will know who Bice is).


694 posted on 11/13/2004 3:00:09 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: sitetest
Forty states have heavy restrictions on post-viability abortions

I think almost all of us despise PBA and would agree to harsh restrictions on such practice, as well as a number of other reasonable restrictions. But the I wan't it all my way right now and there is no compromise or I am leaving the party crowd are going to wreck it for themselves.

695 posted on 11/13/2004 3:00:35 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

So, according to you, free will doesn't exist?


696 posted on 11/13/2004 3:05:36 PM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: CouncilofTrent
So, according to you, free will doesn't exist?

HUH? Wherdidyaget that silly idea.

697 posted on 11/13/2004 3:06:58 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

You're delusional ... you haven't the foggiest notion what I favor. No soup for you. Try again ...


698 posted on 11/13/2004 3:08:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: AndyJackson

You continued effort to mischaracterize makes you and your spittle now irrelevent.


699 posted on 11/13/2004 3:10:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Clorinox
until you get a significant portion of society to believe as you do abortion will remain legal.

Since 2000, polls have consistently shown roughly 50% of Americans identify themselves as "pro life". Those polls also show that a substantial percentage of the pro-choicers favor some restrictions and find the practice personally objectionable.

I'd call that a "significant portion".

700 posted on 11/13/2004 3:10:16 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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