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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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KEYWORDS: elections; gop; prolife
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To: Clorinox

I know a guy who says every single person he knows voted for sKerry and can't believe Bush won.

Not only are you void of integrity and character, you don't even have your facts straight...maybe you should regroup?!


641 posted on 11/13/2004 2:07:22 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: sitetest
However, polls consistently show that 65% - 70% of Americans believe that abortion should be restricted to cases of rape, incest, and the life (not health) of the mother.

I certainly agree that the issue should be decided by the people, and not by the courts.

642 posted on 11/13/2004 2:07:25 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Howlin

I sincerely pray you are correct my friend, because IF that is truly what we witnessed--a rejection of pernicious liberalism as spewed forth by the democrat party, then our nation is actually sending the strong message that we want moderation in social issues and moderate to conservative values reflected in judicial rulings.


643 posted on 11/13/2004 2:11:18 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Amelia

No one is perfect. The One that was - He was crucified.

I live in the life culture and have devoted my life and treasure to defending the defenseless in our society...children being the priority.

How many videos documenting what is done during and after an abortion have you watched in your lifetime?


644 posted on 11/13/2004 2:11:50 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution

So far I havent seen any refutation of fact, only demagoguery. Most of what I have said is opinion as well.
If abortion is so unpopular why are so many people having so many abortions?

You claim most of society is against them, yet so many are occuring, which is it?


645 posted on 11/13/2004 2:12:23 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: narses
BTW, I am not an organ donor nor would I seek or accept a donated organ unless I was certain that the donor wasn't killed to obtain such an organ (as is often the practice).

You really believe that?

646 posted on 11/13/2004 2:12:25 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Scenic Sounds
Alan Keyes would've done it, if he'd gotten elected.

And Alan Keyes showed how unpopular running on an anti-abortion and anti-homosexual platform is. This is exactly where the conservative movement would be if the "abortion is the #1 issue' crowd gets control.
647 posted on 11/13/2004 2:12:27 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Clorinox

Dear Clorinox,

I'm not altogether sure that I could find one that is Internet-based. From the late '80s through the '90s, I read several hard-copy polls, several by Gallup.

I don't really have the time to research for you on-line. Perhaps you could google.


sitetest


648 posted on 11/13/2004 2:13:22 PM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Let's call murder something it isn't and make it legal, shall we? That sword would cut deep, wouldn't it?

You mean like capital punishment?
649 posted on 11/13/2004 2:14:07 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: ApesForEvolution

"How many videos documenting what is done during and after an abortion have you watched in your lifetime?"

I have watched an abortion take place.

How many sins have you committed?
Will you be in hell with me and the other sinners?
Or will Christ's love raise us both up to heaven, in spite of our sins?


650 posted on 11/13/2004 2:15:06 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: Howlin

It's not blackmail, Howlin, just a simple statement of fact ... the Pubbies have enjoyed our support knowing full well why we support Pubbies over Dems. If the pubbies spit on our values as we express with our votes, they will cease to get our votes. There exists a wide range of issue that conservatives want action upon, abortion and de-liberalizing the courts being but two.


651 posted on 11/13/2004 2:16:30 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
How many videos documenting what is done during and after an abortion have you watched in your lifetime?

Do you think someone needs to watch such a video to come to the conclusion that abortion is wrong?

Do you suppose someone could come to the conclusion that abortion is wrong without watching such a video?

Are you telling me that you didn't know abortion was wrong until you saw one?

652 posted on 11/13/2004 2:16:46 PM PST by Amelia
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To: JeffAtlanta; Amelia
You post to me and quote Amelia.

How am I supposed to even try to keep up with a guy as tricky as you? ;-)

653 posted on 11/13/2004 2:17:37 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Clorinox

You're sick...your disease runs to the depths of your being.

Let's save each other the time, because you don't have a leg to stand on...you defend that which has no defense.

Good day...


654 posted on 11/13/2004 2:18:01 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: sitetest
However, polls consistently show that 65% - 70% of Americans believe that abortion should be restricted to cases of rape, incest, and the life (not health) of the mother.

Then those polls must be wrong because they sure don't vote that way. Probably closer to the truth would be that while most Americans don't like abortion they also don't want it be illegal.
655 posted on 11/13/2004 2:18:59 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: ApesForEvolution

"You're sick...your disease runs to the depths of your being"

I love you very much. I hope you have a fulfilling and meaningful life. Thanks for the conversation.


656 posted on 11/13/2004 2:21:07 PM PST by Clorinox
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To: Amelia

Typical baby-butchers' response.

I asked you a simple question and you dodged it with 3 other questions...

How many? None? One? Part of one? Two?

You remind me of the people that won't watch what Muhammadans are doing to us for fear they might understand what's really going down...

The people jumping from the towers, incinerated, etc.

Answer the question AND ask questions or just answer the question.

But asking 3 more without answering the question directed to you won't cut it...


657 posted on 11/13/2004 2:21:28 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Clorinox

I will.

I hope your condition improves...


658 posted on 11/13/2004 2:22:33 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Clorinox

Dear Clorinox,

"You claim most of society is against them, yet so many are occuring, which is it?"

Given that there are about 300 million folks in the United States, the number of women who have been in child-bearing ages from 1973 on would number, back-of-the-envelope, probably around 125 million.

There have been about 40 million abortions in that time. Given that many women procure the death of more than one of their own unborn children, perhaps about 25 - 30 million have done so in that period.

That works out to perhaps around 20% - 25% of women.

It appears that the overwhelming majority of women have NOT procured the death of their children.


sitetest


659 posted on 11/13/2004 2:24:12 PM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: Spiff
If you and George Bush and the Republican Party would just stick with what is in the damned platform, we'd all be a whole lot better off.

Okay, can you tell us how George Bush is going to outlaw all abortion? He isn't a law maker or breaker is he? Does he really have that power? He can of course attempt to get pro life judges on the court, and I am sure he will try.

Do you think the Supreme Court will repeal it? Do you think the states will then outlaw it if they were to do it? I can certainly hope all of the above would happen, but what do you think the chances are that it will?

What I wish would happen is that people would have a change of heart, thus making these laws obsolete. I know, dream on. At best, I can vote for those who hold my views as much as is possible, and perhaps at least keep the horrific practice of partial birth abortion illegal, and hopefully make the practice of abortion which I personally view as murder less frequent.I guess I don't think of abortion as a political issue as much as I do a moral issue. JMO.

660 posted on 11/13/2004 2:24:14 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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