Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
I'm not talking about the Catholic Church; I'm talking about YOU.
For you to say that my sister had "lived long enough" is reprehensible.
Catholics I know don't say things like that, and Jesus would be ashamed of you.
I am not a guy!
Do you accept the fact that the instant after conception, a woman still has basic human rights, and that her just fertilized human egg arguably does not?
--- And, that it is an unresolved Constitutional question as to exactly when that fertilized human egg develops into a person with rights of its own?
Until you can honestly admit that governments have no power to decide those issues, we will have to let juries, operating under due process, do it.
That's the american way.
Dear AlbionGirl,
The then-Eighth grader who did what you describe likely sleeps well at night, the sleep of the just.
" The Church will help her any way she can."
Yes, but it's not just, or even primarily the Church.
There are about 500 abortion mills in the United States. This is a major industry, generating the better part of a billion dollars per year in revenue. It is big business, and highly, highly profitable.
There are over 3000 crisis pregnancy and pregnancy aid centers in the United States. This is a major way of pouring large sums of money down the toilet, costing those who support them many millions of dollars in the aggregate. It is not a business at all. It is a money-losing proposition.
But the centers are there, ready to lend a hand, to give assistance, to help women find jobs, get benefits, learn householding, budgeting, and parenting. Giving temporary shelter, providing training, offering moral support, a shoulder to cry on. Nobody makes a damned dime off of them. The gentleman who is the Executive Director of our local Gabriel Project makes so little that his wife must work to make ends meet.
But folks do it. Millions of us. Each one of us sacrifices only a little (except for folks like the aforementioned Executive Director and his family). It's a few bucks here and there. I try to make it to the annual March for Life each year. A little activism, a little planning with the Knights for different events. Most of us play just a very small role. But it adds up.
It adds up to support for thousands and thousands of women in crisis.
It is about law, it is about legal protection.
But it isn't only about law and legal protection. It's also about directly assisting women who need our help.
sitetest
First of all, it usually takes 20 years for a person on Death Row to be executed [from date of sentence]
We know that the unborn are totally innocent.
In the Doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, there is the Just War doctrine by St Thomas Aquinas.
This theology states that if you are a husband and father, and someone is going to kill your wife and children, and your only recourse is to kill that person, that is self defense, and part of this theology.
The Roman Catholic Church for a long time has not come out against the Death Penalty -- as administered by the Civil Government.
Pope John Paul II is against the Death Penalty, but in countries such as Columbia, where a Drug Lord might be to bribe his way out of prison, and then kill innocent people, it is justified to execute the Drug Lord.
This should not happen in the United States. But what if Guards are killed in prison or other inmates? This can happen with any prisoner in a prison.
But the United States should be able to control violent and dangerous felons by life in prison terms.
In one case -- it is clear cut wrong -- abortion has been wrong in the Roman Catholic Church since the Didache was written. The Didache was written about the time of first Gospel or before.
On the other hand, the current Pope is against the Death Penalty, but not for third world countries where truly dangerous, powerful, and rich criminals can bribe or extort their way out of prison.
For example, what if Saddam Hussein is put in prison for life, there is an uprising, he is freed, and then he takes out vengence on the Iraqi people -- killing hundreds of thousands of people.
Executing Saddam Hussein would be justified in that scenario because it would save innocent lives down the line.
The point about the Death Penalty -- it is not cut and dried what to do. But I would march to stop someone from being executed on Death Row. At the same time I might march against the same person being paroled if I felt he might still be a danger to society.
It is possible, through legal loopholes, for criminals to get out of jail.
The movie Onion Field -- which is a 1970s flick as I recall -- is a true story of a cop killer who gets out jail.
On the other hand, Susan Hayworth played the lead in a movie called I want to Live where she is innocent and proven innocent -- but only after she is executed.
In the United States, Death Penalty cases normally will go to the Governor, and then appealed automatically to the state Supreme Court, and then to the United States Supreme Court.
In the meantime, the person has an additional 20 years of life (or maybe it is less).
Stays of execution can be hard on the criminals as well.
But the unborn are not even given a chance to be born.
There is a fellow at Princeton [University Professor] who is advocating that if children are born defective, the parents would be given a period of time before they could decide to have their child killed. This Professor is Peter Singer, and I believe he was the Bio-Ethics advisor to Clinton.
Nope, but we can spend time together here........he'll never know!
I support America seeing to it that murdering babies is a criminal act, punishable in a way we all deem productive and reasonable as all other heinous acts are treated.
I believe the best and only way is a Constitutional one.
Throw out the Constitutionally repugnant R v W cr@pola which makes something unlawful (murdering babies) into something legal (=lethal).
I'm not tied to the Catholic arguments myself, regarding birth control, etc. and don't see a need to go beyond recognizing conception, the union of a sperm and an egg, which if the baby's life from there progresses the way it's designed - 100% of the time a man or woman is the result
Unless of course a murder takes place.
How do we get there?
#1 Overturn R v W
It's been long enough now...
Yes a member of the "crown crew" someone dubbed us - there are a handful of us on FR.
Every Western democracy has legalized birth control and abortion, several have legalized euthanasia, stem cell research and soon cloning. This to me further illustrates the moral depravity of democracies, built on the pride of original sin. They "eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil" by assigning no higher authority than the "will of the people". No Christian monarch would have ever allowed this ongoing atrocity, in fact more than a few of the "constitutional" monarchs have abdicated rather than assent to it in their lands - in their parliamentary systems they did not have the power to stop it.
St. Louis IX - most Christian King, pray for us.
So, which one do YOU save?
You're obviously not giving the choice to the mother, as your position is that if she chooses life over her child's, she is a murderer..
You cite a saint as an example..
Have you noticed the rarity of saints in the general population?
Not everybody is a saint.. Most of us are just everyday humans..
the choice is to kill or not
You mean Murder, don't you?
You made a distinction between killing and murder..
Yes, emphatically yes to all of the above
Since the unborn child cannot make an informed choice of self-sacrafice, every effort ought to be made to save BOTH lives
The unborn child cannot make ANY choice, informed or otherwise..
Only the parents can make that choice, with the consent of the doctor(s) and in keeping with the law..
But again, there's that thing.. every effort ought to be made to save BOTH lives
You've got to make a CHOICE..
WHO LIVES ? WHO DIES ?
We're not talking "hypotheticals" here..
We're talking In the delivery room.
The mother had already made the decision to have the baby, but now there are complications.
While every effort will be made to save both, someone is going to have to make a choice, to save one or the other..
In your perfect world, the mother dies, every time.. whether she wants to or not..
She is effectively, murdered.
Her "choice" to live is taken away..
This was my mother's choice, to live or die..
She chose death for herself and life for the child..( her 9th one, by the way )
Luckily, both DID survive..
That happened 40 years ago, to my youngest sister.
I do not take this lightly..
You don't seem to have a very reasoned respect for Life in general though..
You're more than willing to "Kill" for God and country, you don't seem to have a problem with Law enforcement "killing" people to enforce the law, You've got no problem with "killing" someone if they threaten YOUR Life, or that of your family..
You believe that capital punishment is "Okey Dokey", because "Murder" is bad..
I guess "executing" rapists is allright with you, since we're not using the words "murder" or "killing".. and it's the law...
Yet, that rapist will go to meet his maker, knowing that his progeny will survive.. in his victims.. which may very well have been his intent all along..
Good life, Bad Life, oh, where do we make the distinction?
Who lives, and who dies? and who makes the decision?
#428: You're a man...
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I, too, am feeling the onset of betrayal. Cronyn says he has extracted assurances from Specter and will support him for chair. This is wrong.
I will be watching the appointments of judges. If I see liberals getting appointed, I will know the Republicans have caved. If Bush is afraid to appoint Pro-Life judges because Specter will block them and make Bush look bad, we will have been betrayed. The liberals will be getting their way even though the voting public did not give them that authority.
We need judges who will stand up for the Constitution and for common sense. If we don't get them, only the Republicans can be held to blame. They hold all the cards.
I personally will no longer support a party which talks a great fight but doesn't follow through. I will be watching judicial appointments closely. This is the litmus test for the Republican Party. It's time to put up or shut up.
Then why do you automatically assume babies were killed, and make nasty attack comments?
You know, it's your sort of comment that causes people to label conservatives as close-minded, mean, and hateful.
"Warning" is NEVER positive when you're blackmailing somebody. Ever.
Am not!
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