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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; gop; prolife
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To: Luis Gonzalez; MHGinTN

Actually, I think he's right on that one; it was gay marriage that brought out the voters in the states where it was on the ballot.


401 posted on 11/13/2004 10:38:12 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: narses

Thanks for your honesty. I can respect that. I think your moral argument is consistent. It's just very difficult to implement legally and politically, and that's where we will disagree.


402 posted on 11/13/2004 10:38:13 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: narses
How many babies were killed so that your sister could have a few more years of life?

None.

403 posted on 11/13/2004 10:38:41 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

So my faith based positions are "reprehensible" while your lies about me are, well what? If you are not capable of accepting my honest belief without telling lies about me, why should your views be seen as anything but the rants of an angry liar?


404 posted on 11/13/2004 10:38:58 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses

People will twist themselves in knots to defend their American Death Culture...there is NO light in the death culture. NONE!


405 posted on 11/13/2004 10:39:16 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: narses

You're welcome.


406 posted on 11/13/2004 10:39:48 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: Howlin

"None", then what kind of treatment did she get? Adult stem cell? Umbilical cord stem cell? Both very acceptable morally, as no innocent child died to obtain them.


407 posted on 11/13/2004 10:40:12 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses

I didn't lie about you; you are totally trashing the GOP by demanding that they listen to YOU and YOU alone.

You are quite simply disgusting.


408 posted on 11/13/2004 10:40:39 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin
"I am a pro=life, pro-family values voting Christian"

OK so we have all the critical points in common.

"I am NOT threatening to leave the GOP if they don't do exactly what I demand."

Nor am I. Please read 340 by Vicomte13 who also wrote the original piece.
409 posted on 11/13/2004 10:40:51 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: kjvail

Ok, now you're suggesting outlawing all birth control?


410 posted on 11/13/2004 10:41:00 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: narses
Approve the pro-life judges, and there will be no problem. Vicomte13

Not if those new judges honored their oaths to support the Constitution. "Due process" is a well established Constitutional right. It even applies to pregnant women, believe it or not.

Abortion is due process? Read your own tag-line.
374 narses

How dense can you get kid? -- States that decree early term abortion to be murder violate due process for the women so accused.

And when you insist that you have a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of that woman, Jefferson frowns.

411 posted on 11/13/2004 10:41:03 AM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Howlin

Luis, are you Catholic?


412 posted on 11/13/2004 10:41:41 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: sitetest

God bless you.

We're right there next to you.


413 posted on 11/13/2004 10:41:46 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: kjvail
Nonsense, you are falling for the debunked propoganda of the pro-aborts....
The problem is we present murder as the ideal option for your 15 and 16 year olds and we don't teach them the value of chastity. We are a sex obsessed, depraved culture of death.

My main point was that wishing death upon the mother is sick and twisted. A depraved manor of thinking if you will... I stick with that.

Anyway look, you seem to at least partially agreed with my main point: that if a women choses abortion is it partially due to the pro-lifers not givening a strong enough case for life. You looked at it from the other side, that the pro-choice education is too strong, but it's really the same thing. We are putting forth an alternative viewpoint, and we need to win in the arena of public opinion, and convince women with this choice that life is the way to choice.

And I maintain that we will not be able to do so if we come across as heartless bastards.

I'm not giving into pro-abortion propaganda or bad statistics. I understand that there are plenty of people who view it as a contraceptive, who have multiple abortions, etc. But there are those cases where it is a young scared women, and I know that from personal experience.

-paridel
414 posted on 11/13/2004 10:41:49 AM PST by Paridel
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To: ApesForEvolution
Of course no one advocates that, but of course, you are very wise..

Even a cursory review of history reveals the consequences when a large and committed group of people are denied peaceful means of participation. You get one of two things ,depending on the size of the group involved, - revolution and/or terrorism.

Its already occurred on a small scale, intermittedly. I dare say if enough committed people feel they can no longer affect positive change thru the political process Islamic terrorists won't be the only ones making the nightly News.

415 posted on 11/13/2004 10:42:22 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: ScholarWarrior

"Thanks for your honesty. I can respect that. I think your moral argument is consistent."

Thank you. The Roman Catholic view, the Roman Catholic Way of Life and Death is consistent.

"It's just very difficult to implement legally and politically, and that's where we will disagree."

Actually, I agree that it is difficult, I understand the need to be patient, nothing I've said denies those obvious facts. Notwithstanding that, I agree with sitetest, we will perservere, we must.


416 posted on 11/13/2004 10:43:07 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: cpforlife.org

Did you or did you not post this thread, which has the word WARNING in the title?


417 posted on 11/13/2004 10:43:45 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: tpaine

Hey tp....keep it up. Pesky facts, eh?


418 posted on 11/13/2004 10:44:25 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: tpaine

But killing the BABY, that is OK? Wow, it is clear you aren't Catholic. Atheist like your namesake?


419 posted on 11/13/2004 10:44:29 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: ScholarWarrior
"Ok, now you're suggesting outlawing all birth control?"

I don't suggest it, the natural law demands it. The abortion holocaust is a direct consequence of the contraceptive mentality. This was recognized by every Christian denomination until the 1930s. H.H. Paul VI predicted the current holocaust in Humanae Vitae in 1968.

420 posted on 11/13/2004 10:45:44 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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